Ni idea what the"I" in ISIL stands for?I don't support ISIL, but it's not because of their religion. Their religion is an internal viewpoint. Internal viewpoints aren't of harm to me until exercised. I disagree with their violence, which is a common issue across humanity.
They are Islamic. They are Muslims. You'll have to live with that, just as they do.We don't define them as "human." We don't define them as "male." We don't define them as "religious." We define them as Islamic because that definition fits in with the propaganda.
This is the problem with a lot of libertarian thought, it revolves around a really ridiculous assumption that there are these magical, mystical rights just floating around in the ether that exist everywhere, just because you want them to. Natural rights are nonsense. The rights we have in this country, the rights that are enumerated in the founding documents of this country, exist because the founding fathers wanted them and put them there. If we were to do it all over today, a lot of what appears in the founding documents certainly wouldn't appear in the new ones. The world has changed and will continue to change and clinging desperately to the past, just because some people that you respect wrote it down, doesn't really help us go anywhere useful.
I've neither condoned nor condemned a thing, the lack of one is not the presence of the other. There are plenty of things that I would both condone and condemn, but I'd never do either of them because of a sound byte, a statement that something is right or wrong, simply because it is right or wrong. I could actually defend my views in detail and I also recognize that my views are just my opinions, just as yours are, even if you're unwilling to acknowledge that.And by the way, as nice of an idea of saying that "one way isn't any more right or wrong than other" might be, you realize the number of things you are condoning by not condemning them? I won't insult your intelligence by listing them all, but needless to say, when one doesn't have that sense of what is right and what is wrong, you can find yourself defending a lot of bad things.
If you want to give credit to some group other than Christians, or those influenced by Christianity, who were they?No they weren't. Whatever Christianity adopted came from the human experience, none of it was original to Christianity, Christians have simply tried to take credit.
I have not seen Christians running wild in the streets, Christians worked to end slavery, and child molestation occurs everywhere, and is even condoned by some cultures and at least one major religion.Secular society. We no longer allow Christians to run wild in the streets, we don't allow them to own slaves, we don't allow them to force adherence to their religion, we don't allow Inquisitions, etc. None of those things were give up voluntarily by Christianity, they were taken away by force by a society sick and tired of Christian abuses. If it wasn't for secular society, the Catholics would still be raping altar boys without consequence. They're still doing it, of course, but at least there are criminal and civil penalties for it now.
B) They're self identifying. There are many self identifying groups and individuals who don't necessarily get recognized by the greater society. I'm guessing thine quicker to accept their religious status than you would to accept a transgender's identity.
C) They are human. They are religious. They are male. They are rebels. Why the significance that aspect of their shared identity and not the others?
"The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon
'm not interested in your guesses. There's too much of that silliness going on.B) They're self identifying. There are many self identifying groups and individuals who don't necessarily get recognized by the greater society. I'm guessing thine quicker to accept their religious status than you would to accept a transgender's identity.
It was they who gave them their shared identity, not me. Best take that up with them.C) They are human. They are religious. They are male. They are rebels. Why the significance that aspect of their shared identity and not the others?