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Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

ISIS, al-Quaeda, Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah........

The chasm in your analogy is prodigious.

ISIS or ISIL or whatever is the subject of the thread. Pardon me for not talking about every single extremist Islamist group on Earth.

Besides, you forgot al Shabob.
 
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Are you kidding me? Come on R88. Westboro is a few wackjobs pretending to be a Church. ISIL has taken over portions of nations. My word, the lack of any subatomic particle of equivalency is glaring.

So what, because ISIL is more successful makes Westboro more Christian?
 
As distasteful as Westboro has been, So far as I know they have not been accredited
with any beheadings.

Which I never said Westboro was analogous to ISIS. What I said is that their following of the teachings of Christ is about the same as ISIS' following of the religion of Islam.

If I said Chevrolet is to car as Orange is to fruit, would you say "An orange is not like a Chevrolet?"
 
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Why is it that the supposedly most eloquent man to ever hold the office of President of the United States continuously has to have someone explain what he really meant to say?

Can't we just acknowledge that the man is often just plainly idiotic and leave it at that?

When are people going to accept that President Obama actually says exactly what he meant to say?

It's rather remarkable to me to think that there are those who don't understand the complexities of giving a speech like the one the President delivered last night. Every word is parsed, every phrase practiced and nuanced. Each gesture is practice, and inflection is assigned in appropriate places.

The President said what he said, exactly the way he wanted to say it. He made a host of claims nobody but the infatuated are buying, and he will be remembered for doing so.
 
Oh for heavens sake...

Of COURSE ISIS is Islamic. He knows that. As was very accurately said before by NIMBY he HAS to draw the distinction> it has to be CLEAR to the Muslim world that we are not blaming Islam and we are not grouping them all together. Hell...when you are going to be putting American lives in a situation where you are going to be dependent on Muslim countries, leaders, and people, its not even inappropriate to diplomatically smooch a little bootay. Was it handled hamfistedly? Most assuredly. Is it worth all this? Geeeeeeeezus.
 
Why is it that the supposedly most eloquent man to ever hold the office of President of the United States continuously has to have someone explain what he really meant to say?

Can't we just acknowledge that the man is often just plainly idiotic and leave it at that?

He was brought up a muslim, went to school in madrassas, and believes that he has to be careful not to inflame billions of other Muslims by painting them all with the same brush. I get that. The problem is that most Muslims share some beliefs with the radicals. Few Muslims support Israel's right to exist as an example, even the so called moderates living in the Middle East. The moderates may not believe in head chopping but there aren't many moderates that rise up in support of defeating the radicals and the radicals will not be defeated until it is seen as uncool in common Islamic societies.

I don't think Obama is an idiot. He just doesn't have enough common sense to pour piss out of a boot with the instructions on the heel.
 
ISIS or ISIL or whatever is the subject of the thread. Pardon me for not talking about every single extremist Islamist group on Earth.

Besides, you forgot al Shabob.

It's just absurd that you equate a band of 50 nobodies who protest at funerals with thousands of beheading Islamic terrorists.
 
So what, because ISIL is more successful makes Westboro more Christian?

No I would suggest 8 people with offensive signs only represent themselves, while tens of thousands of people taking over nations in the name of Allah represent Islam as they see it, and as they are destroying people to prove.

It's remarkable you would even attempt an equivalence.
 
Yes, I mean ISIL doesn't mean "Islamic State of Syria and the Levant" or anything. Nope, nothing Islamic there! :roll:
 
No I would suggest 8 people with offensive signs only represent themselves, while tens of thousands of people taking over nations in the name of Allah represent Islam as they see it, and as they are destroying people to prove.

It's remarkable you would even attempt an equivalence.

Again, I wasn't comparing Westboro to ISIS. Your SAT scores must have been atrocious.
 
If you claim to be Christian, but don't believe Jesus is God, are you really Christian?
If you claim to be a follower of Judism, but you don't observe the sabbath, are you really a follower of Judism?
If you claim to be Buddist, but you don't believe in karma or reincarnation, are you Buddist?

I think that's what Obama was saying. If you claim to be a follower of Islam, but you kill innocent children, are you really a follower of Islam? Obama is saying that ISIL is not because they do not actually follow important Islamic teachings.

Funny how this same argument is never taken up when the left likes to point out that many Catholics of good faith support birth control, abortion, etc. You never claim that they're not really Catholics because they don't follow Catholic teachings.
 
But nothing from my first three lines since you know they are true, right humboldt.
Says a lot for people who "like" what you said to me.

Please try to stay focused on the Present Moment of Awareness in the World--your President is--
congress with their vacations--not so much .
Oh NIMBY. Dont' be such a drama queen. You don't have to do battle. Live, love and laugh. It's much, much better for you. And besides, ISIS is Islamic in origen - or did you think they got their inspiration from Jerry Falwell?
 
Yes, I mean ISIL doesn't mean "Islamic State of Syria and the Levant" or anything. Nope, nothing Islamic there! :roll:

Well there wasn't much "democratic" about the "German Democratic Republic" or the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea."

(That's East Germany and North Korea, in case you weren't clear).
 
A very poor diversion off of one of his lines about Christianity to bash Catholics.
Why didn't you point out the failings of the rest of the Christian religions?
Such as the gathering that booed Sen. Te4d Cruz off the stage for tring to divides Christians and Jews .
Funny how this same argument is never taken up when the left likes to point out that many Catholics of good faith support birth control, abortion, etc. You never claim that they're not really Catholics because they don't follow Catholic teachings.
 
That's nonsense, of course, but it's a cute line and good for a laugh.

Why would you say it's nonsense? How Christian is Westboro's actions?

I don't know how many times I can say that I didn't compare Westboro to ISIS.

"Corvette is to boat as dog poop is to food" is not saying that a Corvette is dog poop.
 
Again, I wasn't comparing Westboro to ISIS. Your SAT scores must have been atrocious.

LOL

Perhaps I need someone to interpret what you wrote much like the President is getting all his minions to explain what he said. Obviously a shortcoming for both of you, this inability to be understood.
 
Well there wasn't much "democratic" about the "German Democratic Republic" or the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea."

(That's East Germany and North Korea, in case you weren't clear).

Without Islam, ISIS or ISIL wouldn't exist. There is no organization without the religion. The organization seeks to force their version of the religion on everyone by force. You will not find a single non-Muslim member of either ISIS or ISIL.

But do try again.
 
Why is it that the supposedly most eloquent man to ever hold the office of President of the United States continuously has to have someone explain what he really meant to say?

Can't we just acknowledge that the man is often just plainly idiotic and leave it at that?

No, we can't. He's been praised for his ability to articulate a position. Not unlike Bush recently praised Clinton for the same, in fact if you had heard Bush licking on Clinton a couple days ago, you'd have thrown up in your mouth a little bit I'm sure CJ. But compared to Bush, both Clinton and Obama are miles ahead in vocabulary and articulation. Though everybody makes a gaff. Let me ask you, do you think that Obama thinks that IS is secular, or perhaps aligns themselves more with Krishna, or Zoroaster.
 
Why would you say it's nonsense? How Christian is Westboro's actions?

I don't know how many times I can say that I didn't compare Westboro to ISIS.

"Corvette is to boat as dog poop is to food" is not saying that a Corvette is dog poop.

According to the Phelps clan, extremely Christian. In fact, they'd likely argue that they are the only Christians out there doing it right. That's how all of religion works, that's why there are more than 33,000 distinct sects of Christianity, all of which think only they are right about their beliefs.
 
LOL

Perhaps I need someone to interpret what you wrote much like the President is getting all his minions to explain what he said. Obviously a shortcoming for both of you, this inability to be understood.

Or you have trouble understanding. Apparently that's a common problem among Conservatives today.
 
According to the Phelps clan, extremely Christian. In fact, they'd likely argue that they are the only Christians out there doing it right. That's how all of religion works, that's why there are more than 33,000 distinct sects of Christianity, all of which think only they are right about their beliefs.

But that doesn't mean they are. If I said they weren't very Christian, would you disagree?
 
But that doesn't mean they are. If I said they weren't very Christian, would you disagree?

How do you prove they're not? How do you prove which, if any, Christian denomination is or is not Christian? Because you believe it?
 
He was brought up a muslim, went to school in madrassas, and believes that he has to be careful not to inflame billions of other Muslims by painting them all with the same brush. I get that. The problem is that most Muslims share some beliefs with the radicals. Few Muslims support Israel's right to exist as an example, even the so called moderates living in the Middle East. The moderates may not believe in head chopping but there aren't many moderates that rise up in support of defeating the radicals and the radicals will not be defeated until it is seen as uncool in common Islamic societies.

I don't think Obama is an idiot. He just doesn't have enough common sense to pour piss out of a boot with the instructions on the heel.

Yet he became president, not once, but twice. And he has been a Christian for 2-3 decades. Or was the guy that just beheaded a woman in London, who had converted to Muslim five years ago, really still a Christian, or whatever he had been prior to his conversion?
 
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