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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Well it is at least clear that you wish to wage war on the entire religion of 1.6 billion followers. That is just nuts.
    What? How did you possibly arrive at that conclusion?

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    The KKK origin is Christian. So by this logic KKK = Christianity?
    From my posted links in a KKK thread, their origin began after the "Radical Republicans" rejected Andrew Johnson's model for Reconstruction.
    The spiteful carpetbagging Radical Republicans incited southern hatred toward the North and those they represented.

    And thus we had the birth of the KKK in 1866 and its first spike in popularity in the early 1870s.
    Followed by stage two in the 1920s, stage three in the 1960s and stage four today .
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Yet they want to gloss over the bombings of the Black girls.
    And Mississippi burning.
    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    There were large numbers of "Christian" KKK members when they were at their apex.
    And the hangings, as if they aren't as bad as beheadings .
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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What? How did you possibly arrive at that conclusion?

    What is it with you leftists??? Sheeesh!
    So you never said the muslim religion condones jihad?

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Independence mixed with unity, the same goal as every other revolutionary group ever.

    Again, who has the right to frame and claim something as large as a religion shared by a billion humans?
    When the majority of them support violence against civilians, and you have a few hundred million of them that are willing to carry it out... Sort of a cause for alarm don't you think?

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    While the problem certainly isn't that large, there are plenty of Muslims who are no fans of the radicalized elements and would gladly go against them on the battlefield or support military action against them, this is just more reason why religion, any and all religion, is bad. It makes people crazy. It tends to make them fanatics, especially when given no good secular alternative. That's the problem in the Middle East, you have people who are supremely convinced that there's an imaginary man in the sky telling them to kill each other and they have no secular culture or government to keep the insanity in check.
    All religions, or beliefs, are not bad. There are plenty of bad atheists and agnostics as well. Prewar Japan was majority Shinto but this point is seldom raised because it doesn't fit in with any agenda. Is Shinto evil? Nazis secretly mocked religious beliefs but, like many other leaders, publicly praised religion in order to ingratiate themselves with the public.

    Ultimately religion is used a s a guide to how to deal with life's vicissitudes with some being more useful perhaps then others.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Right, and a lot of us are asking the same questions. I think they are afraid and will wait to see what happens before they commit themselves. They will, as bin Laden said, follow the strong horse. Right now that's not us.
    I don't know if that's really the issue, I think that the radical Imams are very good at playing the religion card, saying that anyone who opposes them will upset Allah. When your population all believes in a magical man in the sky that will get mad if you disagree with the religious authorities, you don't get a lot of people willing to risk divine wrath.

    Yes, that's a very good point. We are being very foolish also in not confronting Islam and not calling out terrorism for what it is. Rather we use euphemisms, like 'workplace violence, or offer excuses such as they were late on their mortgage payments.
    Liberalized Americans are afraid of words, they are too politically correct to actually deal with the reality. It's like Obama being careful to say that ISIL isn't an Islamic group. Of course they are! Obama is just afraid to upset anyone, especially people who he might need down the line to support him. The fact of the matter is that this is a religious problem. That doesn't mean all people who practice the religion are the problem, but without the religion, the problem couldn't conceivably exist as it does. Let's just be honest and admit it.

    You can see a number of posters who also muddy the waters by claiming Christians did it too. It's remarkable to me how many people lie in order to prevent the truth from being told, and that is the most interesting part, to me, in all of this.
    But they did, it's a simple fact. Of course, that doesn't excuse the Muslims who are doing it now, any more than it excuses the Christians who did it in the past. It simply underscores the fact that religion is a problem when we allow it to achieve political power. Of course, when the Christians were doing this exact same thing, they were using swords, wearing armor on horseback. Today, it's tans and machine guns and the possibility of having nuclear weapons. It's a lot more dangerous today than it was 500 years ago when the Christians were the animals.

    It is a mess but pretending it isn't what it is only makes it messier. What saved Christianity was the New Testement and the teachings of Christ, as well as the Reformation. Islam is still 7th century.
    No, it wasn't. What saved society from Christianity was the rise of the secular state telling Christianity it was no longer welcome to run rampant across the rights of the people. Christianity has consistently lost power as it's been thrown headlong out of political control and that's a good thing. Of course, there are still factions in Christianity, mostly residing in the Tea Party, consisting of Christian Identity and Restoration Theology fanatics, who want nothing more than to become the Christian version of ISIS. Christianity is still dangerous, we've just had it on a leash in the west long enough for most people to forget that.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And a lot of them originally came from the UK also. What are we to make of that??
    Racist aren't isolated in the United States, but they did come to America to join the KKK. They didn't join a British Chapter of the KKK.

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So you never said the muslim religion condones jihad?
    Now you are off on another tack. Why not respond to a quote and not your interpretations?

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    Re: Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    You know, the fact that you have to put in the world "indirectly" just goes to show you've lost this debate.
    The fact that I used the word "indirectly" shows that I am honest.
    The far right wing should try it sometime,
    instead of tripping over their tongues disengenously taking out of context everything their President says, since Nov. 2008.
    Because with ISIS, we don't have to talk about abstract possibility and indirectness do we?
    Trying to call ISIL true Islamists/Muslims is about as abstract and indirect as one can be, to use YOUR words back at you .
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