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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Does the FBI really need to be involved though?

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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    And when I said that, I was talking about NOW, not the NFL. The NFL isn't responsible for Janay Rice, or her victimhood, which was in your post. The NFL leadership has no responsibility for her or his behavior in an elevator in Atlantic City, period.
    Apologies, as I misunderstood you.

    I'm failing to see what responsibility the NFL has here at all. Rice was indicted by a grand jury in NJ, he had a punishment doled out to him, the NFL suspended him for 2 games after he went through the system, and that should have been the end of it for the NFL. Until I see outrage towards the prosecutor in NJ for letting him off with basically no punishment from the posters (and collateral others, such as NOW). who think the NFL and/or Goodell should have to pay some price, the hypocrisy and agenda will be noted.
    If the AP story is right, the NFL had access to the key piece of evidence that it later used to increase its penalties, but either failed to examine that evidence or did so but ignored it. Given that the NFL's prior narrative of never having had access to the video appears to have been demolished by the AP story and recording that the AP heard, the latter scenario that the NFL ignored the evidence may be the more likely one. That suggests a leadership failure (no due diligence). It also suggests a procedural failure (no adequate process for examining criminal and other disciplinary issues). In other words, Rice went through the proverbial system, but the system failed.

    Should Goodell resign or be fired? I think it should depend on the details of what happened. If he had, in fact, ignored the evidence and then spun the story to evade accountability for the minimal punishment, absolutely. If, for some reason, the video never reached him or he was not informed about it, then no. I reserve judgment on that matter, though NOW has made its position clear. NOW's position deals with the bigger potential issue of the incidence of domestic abuse and sex crimes within the NFL community. NOW cited arrests. I do think the investigation needs to look more closely into that matter. If the conviction rate is statistically above the national average, there is, in fact, a problem and it should be dealt with.

    I will note that sports leagues have often been extremely slow to react to big problems. MLB all but ignored the steroids issue for years. It wouldn't surprise me if the NFL has all but ignored its own scandal if, in fact, there is the kind of problem NOW has cited.

    The NFL has a window of opportunity to fix things. If it fails, there will be fallout from sponsors and possibly even Congress and/or the Department of Justice. To fix things, it will need to conduct a sweeping and robust inquiry, be honest about what it learns regardless of the personalities involved, transparent so that there are no perceptions of anything but a commitment to learn the facts, and decisive in carrying out the necessary fixes. Its request to have former FBI Director Robert Mueller look into the matter related to Rice is a constructive first step.

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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    In fairness to Goodell and the players, these players are targets for all kinds of frivolous claims. I'm not saying that they're angels but in any case where a player is accused of domestic abuse, rape or assault they shouldn't be booted until the facts become clear. It's just WAY too easy for someone to get "friendly" with a 25 year old mulch-millionaire then abuse that position against them.

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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I called this.
    It's weird though because this was no secret to anyone. Peter King and others have been reporting for months that the league was shown both videos.

    The only reason this blew up is that the public was shown the elevator video and what it showed erased all the false narratives about how she wound up unconscious.

    But then, seeing Ray Rice drag his fiance out of the elevator like a sack of meat SHOULD have been enough for the public. In fact it was enough for many who called foul when the league handed out the measly 2 game suspension. Some people just needed to see the asshole, built like Mike Tyson, beating the woman into unconsciousness before reality set in.
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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    And when I said that, I was talking about NOW, not the NFL. The NFL isn't responsible for Janay Rice, or her victimhood, which was in your post. The NFL leadership has no responsibility for her or his behavior in an elevator in Atlantic City, period.

    I'm failing to see what responsibility the NFL has here at all. Rice was indicted by a grand jury in NJ, he had a punishment doled out to him, the NFL suspended him for 2 games after he went through the system, and that should have been the end of it for the NFL. Until I see outrage towards the prosecutor in NJ for letting him off with basically no punishment from the posters (and collateral others, such as NOW). who think the NFL and/or Goodell should have to pay some price, the hypocrisy and agenda will be noted.
    Exactly, the NJ prosecutor basically gave Rice a slap on the back and sent him on his way. The public and many organizations should be inquisitive enough to question the prosecutor and how he came to his decision.

    If another man committed this same crime on video, punching and dragging a woman out of an elevator showing zero remorse, would the NJ prosecutor give him the same deal, I doubt it IMO.

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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I have no issues with a presumption of innocence coupled with severe penalties in the face of convictions, but the press release notes that Greg Hardy was convicted and is still playing.
    The problem Don is believing a press release from a clearly agenda driven group.

    The most accurate description of the Greg Hardy situation is that he is appealing the initial ruling, that was made singularly by a judge, in an attempt to be tried by a jury of his peers. He was sentenced to 18 months probation and 60 days prison sentence, which was suspended.

    So in the case of Hardy it's a bit murky. He was found guilty by a judge initially but is currently ongoing in an appeal for a trial by jury.

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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    This was the statement of Goodell as it related to "bounty gate" and Saint's GM Mickey Loomis:

    13. General Manager Mickey Loomis was not present at meetings of the Saints defense at which bounties were discussed and was not aware of bounties being placed on specific players. Mr. Loomis became aware of the allegations regarding a bounty program no later than February 2010 when he was notified of the investigation into the allegations during a meeting with NFL Executive Vice President-Football Operations Ray Anderson. He was directed to ensure that any such program ceased immediately. By his own admission, Mr. Loomis did not do enough to determine if a pay-for-performance/bounty program existed or to end any such program that did exist.
    Roger Goodell claims he or others in the NFL, to his knowledge, hadn't seen the tape. Mr. Loomis became aware no later than February 2014 that Ray Rice potentially knocked out his girlfriend in a casino elevator, a location most assuredly containing video footage. He is directed to ensure the integrity of the league and the punishment of players based on the personal conduct policy. He is also tasked with the overseeing of the league offices and the employees within it. By his own admission, if this tape was present with a subordinate and it was honestly "not to his knowledge", then he did not do enough to determine what action, and in what situation, Ray Rice took against his girlfriend that day and to base his punishment off those facts.

    At the very least, Roger Goodell should be suspended from any league activities for at least two months.

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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    So let me get this straight.

    The government and FBI are all about investigating the NFL, but no one is interested in why the United States judicial system did absolutely nothing to Ray Rice?

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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The problem Don is believing a press release from a clearly agenda driven group.

    The most accurate description of the Greg Hardy situation is that he is appealing the initial ruling, that was made singularly by a judge, in an attempt to be tried by a jury of his peers. He was sentenced to 18 months probation and 60 days prison sentence, which was suspended.

    So in the case of Hardy it's a bit murky. He was found guilty by a judge initially but is currently ongoing in an appeal for a trial by jury.
    IMO, those matters need to be looked into before concrete decisions are made. I agree that NOW's press release most definitely is not anything close to the final word. It identifies possible issues, but until those matters are adequately examined, one really can't draw reliable conclusions.

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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

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