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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    In fairness to Goodell and the players, these players are targets for all kinds of frivolous claims. I'm not saying that they're angels but in any case where a player is accused of domestic abuse, rape or assault they shouldn't be booted until the facts become clear. It's just WAY too easy for someone to get "friendly" with a 25 year old mulch-millionaire then abuse that position against them.
    I have no issues with a presumption of innocence coupled with severe penalties in the face of convictions, but the press release notes that Greg Hardy was convicted and is still playing.

    If I were looking into the matter, I'd like to know how the conviction and/or plea rates related to domestic violence and sex crimes stack up against national averages. If there is a statistical difference at the 90% or above confidence level, then it would be clear that a real problem exists. Addressing such a problem would almost certainly require severe punishment for players who are convicted and far better background work on prospective draft picks, among other things, e.g., training/counseling programs, etc.

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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

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    Hi Pol! Happy Hump Day!

    I don't know either? I always thought a contract was binding. Even for players, I mean. If they cut you loose, they still owe you the money. I never heard that they get it up front. When Mr. B was a pro hockey player, he sure didn't get anything up front.
    There are lots of conditions in most contracts....if you breech them, they're not binding.
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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I actually think the only workable solution is to prohibit the thugs who assault women, electrocute dogs, deal drugs, shoot themselves in the legs with illegal guns, drive drunk and kill people, and so on get punished by the justice system. It sounds like the problem is with the players.
    A lot more work will be required to find out the magnitude of the possible problem and design effective solutions. That the NFL reportedly had the full video months ago--something that still needs to be verified--is troubling. If that was the case, Roger Goodell is not in a position to lead such an inquiry.

    NOW is not relevant as much as they try to be. This is a failure. Why don't they contact Janay Rice and ask her why she married the guy who abused her?
    The issue of reducing domestic violence and sex crimes is something in which many organizations, not just NOW, have interests. It's still early, but the new information, if it s corroborated is disturbing. If it is, in fact, accurate, it is possible that the NFL's sponsors could threaten to abandon it or begin to do so. Fans, especially female fans, could also do so. Such pressure would make Goodell's position as Commissioner untenable and, if decisive action is not taken afterward, could inflict significant damage on the NFL brand. Such damage would harm the many players, coaches, officials, and others who have nothing to do with domestic abuse and sex crimes. It could also open the door for Congress or the Department of Justice to intervene forcefully e.g., appoint a special prosecutor or other official to temporarily take control of the NFL and clean things up. Already, there is some bipartisan support in Congress for Congress to act, even in the face of the many challenges the nation is currently facing.

    IMO, the best approach would be for Goodell to temporarily step aside and allow an independent investigation of the matter. if he's cleared of having failed to act appropriately, he could return. Otherwise he wouldn't. His failure to do so will only invite much more pressure, risk damaging the NFL's brand, and perhaps even trigger government intervention.

    Janay Rice is a victim. Victims of abuse handle things differently. Some are eager to participate in seeking punishment of their abuser. Others are scared, often rallying to the abuser, as they figure the costs/risks of turning against the abuser outweigh those of siding with him or ignoring the abuse. Some even hope to transform the abuser. Human behavior is complex and the responses vary. I certainly have no special insight into Janay Rice's position other than the position she has taken. Pushing Janay to cooperate would probably put her in an unfair and bad position.

    ...someone is looking for money here - and it isn't just Janay Rice.
    I'm not aware of any evidence that Ms. Rice is seeking money.

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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Failed leadership in the context of a "violence against women problem" in the NFL.

    NOW issued the following press release:
    If I was NOW I wouldnt be 'throwing any stones.' The woman in this discussion married her abuser...after the abuse. I'm not buying into victimhood here, nor do I always in domestic abuse. Sometimes. In this case, I do not accord him all the 'power' in the relationship....she was hostile towards him as well and I have a feeling that this was not the first conflict, physical or otherwise, in their relationship.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Interesting. Lots of anonymity in that story.

    Why is nobody outraged that the state of NJ knew what happened and let him off with "intervention"?\.
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    You have no empirical evidence backing up your false assertion. You are simply conjecturing based on a whim...
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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    I called this.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    A lot more work will be required to find out the magnitude of the possible problem and design effective solutions. That the NFL reportedly had the full video months ago--something that still needs to be verified--is troubling. If that was the case, Roger Goodell is not in a position to lead such an inquiry.



    The issue of reducing domestic violence and sex crimes is something in which many organizations, not just NOW, have interests. It's still early, but the new information, if it s corroborated is disturbing. If it is, in fact, accurate, it is possible that the NFL's sponsors could threaten to abandon it or begin to do so. Fans, especially female fans, could also do so. Such pressure would make Goodell's position as Commissioner untenable and, if decisive action is not taken afterward, could inflict significant damage on the NFL brand. Such damage would harm the many players, coaches, officials, and others who have nothing to do with domestic abuse and sex crimes. It could also open the door for Congress or the Department of Justice to intervene forcefully e.g., appoint a special prosecutor or other official to temporarily take control of the NFL and clean things up. Already, there is some bipartisan support in Congress for Congress to act, even in the face of the many challenges the nation is currently facing.

    IMO, the best approach would be for Goodell to temporarily step aside and allow an independent investigation of the matter. if he's cleared of having failed to act appropriately, he could return. Otherwise he wouldn't. His failure to do so will only invite much more pressure, risk damaging the NFL's brand, and perhaps even trigger government intervention.

    Janay Rice is a victim. Victims of abuse handle things differently. Some are eager to participate in seeking punishment of their abuser. Others are scared, often rallying to the abuser, as they figure the costs/risks of turning against the abuser outweigh those of siding with him or ignoring the abuse. Some even hope to transform the abuser. Human behavior is complex and the responses vary. I certainly have no special insight into Janay Rice's position other than the position she has taken. Pushing Janay to cooperate would probably put her in an unfair and bad position.



    I'm not aware of any evidence that Ms. Rice is seeking money.
    What does Janay Rice being a victim have to do with Roger Goodell and the NFL?

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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Sorry TC but there is no chance in Hell of me watching Olbermann.

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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    What does Janay Rice being a victim have to do with Roger Goodell and the NFL?
    You had asked:

    Why don't they contact Janay Rice and ask her why she married the guy who abused her?
    That's a separate matter from the NFL's possible leadership failure issue. Moreover, for various reasons, bringing her into the matter might be counterproductive.

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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    You had asked:



    That's a separate matter from the NFL's possible leadership failure issue. Moreover, for various reasons, bringing her into the matter might be counterproductive.
    And when I said that, I was talking about NOW, not the NFL. The NFL isn't responsible for Janay Rice, or her victimhood, which was in your post. The NFL leadership has no responsibility for her or his behavior in an elevator in Atlantic City, period.

    I'm failing to see what responsibility the NFL has here at all. Rice was indicted by a grand jury in NJ, he had a punishment doled out to him, the NFL suspended him for 2 games after he went through the system, and that should have been the end of it for the NFL. Until I see outrage towards the prosecutor in NJ for letting him off with basically no punishment from the posters (and collateral others, such as NOW). who think the NFL and/or Goodell should have to pay some price, the hypocrisy and agenda will be noted.

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