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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Just curious - on what grounds would/should he lose his job? I keep seeing that but I'm trying to understand why. And who can fire him?
    If I am not mistaken the NFL team owners can fire Goddell. If his is fired it will be because it's best for business. NFL team owners are in it for business first and foremost. Goddell's future will be a business decision and will have IMHO little to nothing to do with thuggish behavior or battering women. If Goddell could skate publicly it wouldn't even be an issue. It is not all about doing the right. I really don't believe it is.

    Having said that they'll have to trump up reasons and they will if it comes to that. If he leaves he will likely "resign" and "take one for the team".










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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

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    If I am not mistaken the NFL team owners can fire Goddell. If his is fired it will be because it's best for business. NFL team owners are in it for business first and foremost. Goddell's future will be a business decision and will have IMHO little to nothing to do with thuggish behavior or battering women. If Goddell could skate publicly it wouldn't even be an issue. It is not all about doing the right. I really don't believe it is.

    Having said that they'll have to trump up reasons and they will if it comes to that. If he leaves he will likely "resign" and "take one for the team".
    I think if anything, he'll resign. NOW is calling for his resignation now too. I'm not sure why that is. I still don't know when he became responsible for domestic violence in this country.

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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Just curious - on what grounds would/should he lose his job? I keep seeing that but I'm trying to understand why. And who can fire him?
    Greetings, tres borrachos.

    I was discussing the Rice thing today with a friend, and I was told that an NFL team can get rid of anyone they like, and the contract that was signed is meaningless. When I questioned how a signed contract isn't a legal document, I was asked why I thought most players demand the bulk of their money up front - they know how the "cookie crumbles." When I argued that it didn't seem fair to the owners, since a player can get hurt or die without playing any games for the money he has already received, I was told that's just how it's done.

    I still don't believe it. Could that be true, or was I just being razzed?

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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I still don't know when he became responsible for domestic violence in this country.
    The moment he swept it under the rug, if he saw the video and didn't merely go off the charges and resolution.

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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, tres borrachos.

    I was discussing the Rice thing today with a friend, and I was told that an NFL team can get rid of anyone they like, and the contract that was signed is meaningless. When I questioned how a signed contract isn't a legal document, I was asked why I thought most players demand the bulk of their money up front - they know how the "cookie crumbles." When I argued that it didn't seem fair to the owners, since a player can get hurt or die without playing any games for the money he has already received, I was told that's just how it's done.

    I still don't believe it. Could that be true, or was I just being razzed?
    Hi Pol! Happy Hump Day!

    I don't know either? I always thought a contract was binding. Even for players, I mean. If they cut you loose, they still owe you the money. I never heard that they get it up front. When Mr. B was a pro hockey player, he sure didn't get anything up front.

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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I think if anything, he'll resign. NOW is calling for his resignation now too. I'm not sure why that is. I still don't know when he became responsible for domestic violence in this country.
    He is not responsible for domestic violence, but he is a lightening rod in this particular storm. It appears - we don't know - that he screwed the pooch. You can't be America's sport and you can't have television cameras turn away from fights on the field because fighting is a bad image for a family sport and then turn around and ignore sexual abuse, drug abuse and domestic violence by your well paid and well known employees. Now, if they could ignore it they would. They have. No more.

    I think it all started to change with people like Aaron Hernandez, Ben Roethlisberger and Michael Vick, to name but a few. If you want to be national sport played by well paid thugs, crazies, drug addicts and women abusers then be that and expect that. Let them fight on the field and let us watch. Let their battered wives and girl friends sit in the stands with bruises and bandages. But don't try to act like you are America's family fall pastime. Don't show America's children that "hey, if you got the bucks and the status you can get away with almost anything".

    The NFL makes a lot of money. Whether you go or not, if you live in an NFL city you pay money to the NFL. It costs a small fortune to take a family to an NFL game. Look at the ad revenues from NFL games. I think a growing number of Americans are saying that they don't want to be shucked and jived.
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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    NOW is calling for his resignation now too. I'm not sure why that is.
    Failed leadership in the context of a "violence against women problem" in the NFL.

    NOW issued the following press release:

    The NFL has lost its way. It doesn’t have a Ray Rice problem; it has a violence against women problem.
    •According to FiveThirtyEight.com, the relative arrest rate of NFL players is fifty-five percent for domestic violence, and thirty-eight percent for sex offenses.
    •Days after announcing his new domestic violence policy, Goodell said Ray McDonald of the San Francisco 49ers, who is facing a felony domestic violence charge, could play in the team’s season opener against the Dallas Cowboys.
    •Greg Hardy is still playing for the Carolina Panthers, even after being convicted in July of choking his former girlfriend and threatening to kill her.

    Goodell’s response to accusations that Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones sexually assaulted a woman has been: radio silence.

    The only workable solution is for Roger Goodell to resign, and for his successor to appoint an independent investigator with full authority to gather factual data about domestic violence, dating violence, sexual assault and stalking within the NFL community, and to recommend real and lasting reforms.

    The NFL sets the example for college, high school, middle school and even elementary school football programs. And the example it is setting right now is simply unacceptable.

    New leadership must come in with a specific charge to transform the culture of violence against women that pervades the NFL.

    That’s the only way to restore honor and integrity to the country’s most lucrative and popular pastime.


    NOW Calls for Roger Goodell

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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, tres borrachos.

    I was discussing the Rice thing today with a friend, and I was told that an NFL team can get rid of anyone they like, and the contract that was signed is meaningless. When I questioned how a signed contract isn't a legal document, I was asked why I thought most players demand the bulk of their money up front - they know how the "cookie crumbles." When I argued that it didn't seem fair to the owners, since a player can get hurt or die without playing any games for the money he has already received, I was told that's just how it's done.

    I still don't believe it. Could that be true, or was I just being razzed?
    Most professional contracts will have a morals clause that would allow the termination of the contract if the player commits any of a number of specified acts. The team can't get rid of a player who is under contract "just because". They can't even trade a player "just because".

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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Failed leadership in the context of a "violence against women problem" in the NFL.

    NOW issued the following press release:

    The NFL has lost its way. It doesn’t have a Ray Rice problem; it has a violence against women problem.
    •According to FiveThirtyEight.com, the relative arrest rate of NFL players is fifty-five percent for domestic violence, and thirty-eight percent for sex offenses.
    •Days after announcing his new domestic violence policy, Goodell said Ray McDonald of the San Francisco 49ers, who is facing a felony domestic violence charge, could play in the team’s season opener against the Dallas Cowboys.
    •Greg Hardy is still playing for the Carolina Panthers, even after being convicted in July of choking his former girlfriend and threatening to kill her.

    Goodell’s response to accusations that Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones sexually assaulted a woman has been: radio silence.

    The only workable solution is for Roger Goodell to resign, and for his successor to appoint an independent investigator with full authority to gather factual data about domestic violence, dating violence, sexual assault and stalking within the NFL community, and to recommend real and lasting reforms.

    The NFL sets the example for college, high school, middle school and even elementary school football programs. And the example it is setting right now is simply unacceptable.

    New leadership must come in with a specific charge to transform the culture of violence against women that pervades the NFL.

    That’s the only way to restore honor and integrity to the country’s most lucrative and popular pastime.


    NOW Calls for Roger Goodell
    In fairness to Goodell and the players, these players are targets for all kinds of frivolous claims. I'm not saying that they're angels but in any case where a player is accused of domestic abuse, rape or assault they shouldn't be booted until the facts become clear. It's just WAY too easy for someone to get "friendly" with a 25 year old mulch-millionaire then abuse that position against them.

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    Re: AP Newsbreak: Source says Rice video sent to NFL (in April)

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Failed leadership in the context of a "violence against women problem" in the NFL.

    NOW issued the following press release:

    The NFL has lost its way. It doesn’t have a Ray Rice problem; it has a violence against women problem.
    •According to FiveThirtyEight.com, the relative arrest rate of NFL players is fifty-five percent for domestic violence, and thirty-eight percent for sex offenses.
    •Days after announcing his new domestic violence policy, Goodell said Ray McDonald of the San Francisco 49ers, who is facing a felony domestic violence charge, could play in the team’s season opener against the Dallas Cowboys.
    •Greg Hardy is still playing for the Carolina Panthers, even after being convicted in July of choking his former girlfriend and threatening to kill her.

    Goodell’s response to accusations that Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones sexually assaulted a woman has been: radio silence.

    The only workable solution is for Roger Goodell to resign, and for his successor to appoint an independent investigator with full authority to gather factual data about domestic violence, dating violence, sexual assault and stalking within the NFL community, and to recommend real and lasting reforms.

    The NFL sets the example for college, high school, middle school and even elementary school football programs. And the example it is setting right now is simply unacceptable.

    New leadership must come in with a specific charge to transform the culture of violence against women that pervades the NFL.

    That’s the only way to restore honor and integrity to the country’s most lucrative and popular pastime.


    NOW Calls for Roger Goodell
    I actually think the only workable solution is to prohibit the thugs who assault women, electrocute dogs, deal drugs, shoot themselves in the legs with illegal guns, drive drunk and kill people, and so on get punished by the justice system. It sounds like the problem is with the players.

    NOW is not relevant as much as they try to be. This is a failure. Why don't they contact Janay Rice and ask her why she married the guy who abused her?

    It's easy to find a scapegoat, and something tells me that someone is looking for money here - and it isn't just Janay Rice.

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