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Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

Dragonfly said:
Cuba is NOT an enemy.

The USofA is acting the childish and immature fool.
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That is an opinion and not shared by the federal government or the Cuban American community of which I am a part. I wouldn't argue that the federal government often acts immaturely and foolishly but not in this case.

My guess is that the embargo will end when the Castros are gone.
 
For me, personally, the issue has no relevance but I would offer the following points for consideration:

1. What economic interests of the United States are served by Cuba that aren't already readily served by any number of other Caribbean countries let alone the rest of the world's economies? You can note that he US does business with China, Saudi Arabia, etc., but those nations offer America goods it needs and wants - what does Cuba offer?

2. I seem to recall that after the Cuban revolution, the state confiscated the land and business assets of American citizens and restitution has never been made in this regard. Is there any other country in the world that America has open economic relations with where similar state seizures have occurred and not been rectified? Along those same lines, there are many Cubans who saw their land and assets seized and had to flee in order to save their own lives - what restitution is being offered to these families?
 
Blue_State said:
So we should embargo all countries who have a iron fisted government and oppress the people? If so, I think we should embargo China rather than Cuba. They have a billion oppressed people, where Cuba is a small island. Why should we only embargo the little guys?
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Oh, did I say all countries? Don't bother looking, because no I did not. Every country is different, so there is no uniform way to deal with them. Do we deal with North Korea the same way we deal with countries in the Middle East? Of course not.
 
Anthony60 said:
Every country is different, so there is no uniform way to deal with them.
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Right. Like I said. Childish. Immature.

I'll add one more: HYPOCRITE

The USofA has NOTHING to lose by ending the embargo.
Nothing.

By continuing it, we just look like bigger and bigger fools.
 
kramercat said:
We need to end the stupid Cuban embargo... like now.

"the Americans have lost nearly all international support for the embargo since the collapse of the Soviet Union. No other nation besides the United States has an economic embargo against Cuba."


Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion
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Yes, I think Obama or Harry Reid should bring this idea up tomorrow and announce it in Miami, Florida. ...No need to wait until after the election.
 
Dragonfly said:
Right. Like I said. Childish. Immature.

I'll add one more: HYPOCRITE

The USofA has NOTHING to lose by ending the embargo.
Nothing.

By continuing it, we just look like bigger and bigger fools.
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Non sequiturs abound.

We would be enriching the commie dictators in Cuba, and giving them even more power over the people of Cuba. Why would you want to do that? Then we would be fools.
 
Anthony60 said:
Oh, did I say all countries? Don't bother looking, because no I did not. Every country is different, so there is no uniform way to deal with them. Do we deal with North Korea the same way we deal with countries in the Middle East? Of course not.
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So your point of them being communist and oppressing their people means nothing. What is the real reason we have an Embargo on Cuba then? Because we can and there is nothing they can do about it? It is ridiculous. We don't like Castro, so let's punish the entire population of a smile island.
 
TheNextEra said:
I don't disagree with what you siad, however, we aren't doing that so there is no need for a Cuban Embargo. Now, if the government decides to go your route, I would support that, but they aren't.
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I would rather push for more embargoes of countries with human rights abuses rather than argue that a country that violates the human rights of its citizens should have their embargo lifted out of some bizarre appeal to fairness.
 
Anthony60 said:
Non sequiturs abound.

We would be enriching the commie dictators in Cuba, and giving them even more power over the people of Cuba. Why would you want to do that? Then we would be fools.
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What is this, the Red Scare?
 
Blue_State said:
If Cuba had oil, there wouldn't be an embargo.

With that said...I am dying for a Cuban sandwich all of a sudden. Delicious.
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I would like to smoke ONE cuban Cigar just to say I did hehe.
 
jmotivator said:
I would rather push for more embargoes of countries with human rights abuses rather than argue that a country that violates the human rights of its citizens should have their embargo lifted out of some bizarre appeal to fairness.
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Well than that's you. I prefer not to look like hypocrites embargoing one country, but allowing many others that violate human rights.
 
jmotivator said:
I would rather push for more embargoes of countries with human rights abuses rather than argue that a country that violates the human rights of its citizens should have their embargo lifted out of some bizarre appeal to fairness.
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Unfortunately, it will never happen. If we don't get our cheap electronics, we would have a melt down.
 
TheNextEra said:
I would like to smoke ONE cuban Cigar just to say I did hehe.
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I believe you can get them in Canada no problem. I would like them open up trading again. Do you know what they used to wrap those Cuban cigars? Tobacco leafs from CT. Job creation. Bam
 
Anthony60 said:
They haven't changed, still the same communist regime right off our shores. Still with the iron fisted government rule, oppressing the people. What have they done that should have us consider lifting the embargo?
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China hasn't changed, Saudi Arabia hasn't changed. China brought down one of our EP-3 about a decade ago, we still deal with them. We get hacked by China, secrets stolen by china, human rights violations by China. Now if you want to look like a hypocrite, that's on you. Fact is if we feel we benefit directly from it, we deal with dictators. It is idiotic and hypocritical to embargo Cuba and not other dictators and human rights violators.
 
Blue_State said:
I believe you can get them in Canada no problem. I would like them open up trading again. Do you know what they used to wrap those Cuban cigars? Tobacco leafs from CT. Job creation. Bam
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Oh I know I can in other countries, just would like to get them here in the states legally. This embargo is idiotic.
 
kramercat said:
We need to end the stupid Cuban embargo... like now.

"the Americans have lost nearly all international support for the embargo since the collapse of the Soviet Union. No other nation besides the United States has an economic embargo against Cuba."


Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion
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Having been to Cuba many times, I have always wondered why?

What threat from this tiny little island of friendly Caribbeans could be so great American must inflict so much damage on her?

Cuba and Canada share a great feat in history, being two nations that have repelled American invasions, Canada twice. The US maintains a naval base there, against the wishes of the government, which seems like bullying to me. BTW, the base looks ****ing ridiculous from the land side, so much security makes it look like their afraid.

But what is it that America clings to in this new world order? This new age where she trades even with "Red China", Vietnam is now a friendly touristy destination, Russia and America share space missions, but little Cuba with beautiful tropics and sunsets to die for, is held with contempt to the point the US denies them medications and hospital supplies, refuses to buy her sugar, preferring instead to subsidize your local producers.

It makes no sense to me, nor the fact I get seriously screwed over trying to visit the US because I have Cuban stamps in my passport..."What they hell does any red blooded Canadian do on a tropical island officer? Try to get laid! The tan is automatic. Or do you think "commie" is contagious?"

Oh...and another thing? Their auto mechanics are the best in the world. They have 1940's cars running better than some of the new ones and they can't import parts for them, they have to make them.
 
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Blue_State said:
So your point of them being communist and oppressing their people means nothing. What is the real reason we have an Embargo on Cuba then? Because we can and there is nothing they can do about it? It is ridiculous. We don't like Castro, so let's punish the entire population of a smile island.
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Oh, you need to put a little bit of thought into it. Of course them being filthy commies means something. How could that not mean anything?
 
Anthony60 said:
Hmmm... what was our total damage? I would end it, but only if the Castros and the communist government are gone. In fact, we should just take a page out of Putin's book and take it over. So, let's storm the place, capture (read:kill) the commie leaders, free the oppressed people, and make Cuba a territory of the USA. Our big corporations could crank up that economy and start creating jobs like crazy.
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:roll:
 
Yea, about time to end it.

Don't care much about the damage, but the policy has long run its' course.

Fearandloathing said:
Having been to Cuba many times, I have always wondered why?

BTW, the base looks ****ing ridiculous from the land side, so much security makes it look like their afraid.
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A military base in a foreign land has high level security measures? Crazy talk.

Probably the dumbest thing I've read all day.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Oh, you need to put a little bit of thought into it. Of course them being filthy commies means something. How could that not mean anything?
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With that attitude, I would never go to New York City, but I am there quite often.

In all honesty, it means nothing. The government of another nation does not concern me, nor should it concern my nation. Going around the world and changing people's governments to look like ours has not paid off well. We need to stop worrying about the government and start talking about the cultures. I would welcome the Cuban culture.
 
Anthony60 said:
Hmmm... what was our total damage? I would end it, but only if the Castros and the communist government are gone. In fact, we should just take a page out of Putin's book and take it over. So, let's storm the place, capture (read:kill) the commie leaders, free the oppressed people, and make Cuba a territory of the USA. Our big corporations could crank up that economy and start creating jobs like crazy.
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Yeah, sure...invade another country, what the hell?

I think that's what started this stand off, the US invading with the mafia as a front and Castro kicked their ass out
 
TheNextEra said:
China hasn't changed, Saudi Arabia hasn't changed. China brought down one of our EP-3 about a decade ago, we still deal with them. We get hacked by China, secrets stolen by china, human rights violations by China. Now if you want to look like a hypocrite, that's on you. Fact is if we feel we benefit directly from it, we deal with dictators. It is idiotic and hypocritical to embargo Cuba and not other dictators and human rights violators.
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Oh, but I wasn't referring to China, or Saudi Arabia. I was talking about Cuba. Clearly these are different countries, at different locations, with different populations, and with different relationships with us.
 
Blue_State said:
With that attitude, I would never go to New York City, but I am there quite often.

In all honesty, it means nothing. The government of another nation does not concern me, nor should it concern my nation. Going around the world and changing people's governments to look like ours has not paid off well. We need to stop worrying about the government and start talking about the cultures. I would welcome the Cuban culture.
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Oh, jeez. That would be one hell of a policy. We don't care about the government of a country. Well, right now the Cuban culture is one of government oppression. I don't welcome that.
 
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