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    Re: Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Oh, but I wasn't referring to China, or Saudi Arabia. I was talking about Cuba. Clearly these are different countries, at different locations, with different populations, and with different relationships with us.
    Yeah they are different, the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, not Cuba. But hey you would rather deal with Saudi Arabia and China along with their hacking, human rights violations instead of Cuba. Time to get out of the Cold war son, it's over.

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    Re: Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I am calling for an embargo of other countries so I am not a hypocrite.

    Also, the hypocrite label as a pejorative is over played. Changing a policy so that you are wrong across the board in order to end hypocrisy is just stupid.

    That is like a parent who can no longer live with themselves due to the hypocrisy of teaching their kids not to smoke while they themselves smoke... so they buy their kids cigarettes.
    Hypocrisy is saying we will deal with this dictator and human rights violator because we REALLY like what they have versus another.

    The U.S. IS hypocritical in that nature. both Dems and GOP alike.

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    Re: Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    "Canada and Cuba share a great feat..."

    If the US invaded canada for some extremely mentally retarded reason today canada would be scraped.

    As for our "invasion of Cuba"

    yeeaaaaaahhh, we "truly" invaded them alright.


    What do you call the bay of pigs?

    And I said nothing about today, put away the six guns, you'd be nuked by Russia if you tried.

    The FACT as stated is truth. The United States invaded Canada by attacking the citadel at Quebec City in 1776, the forces were repelled with large losses. The expeditionary force attempted to escape by building boats out of green wood which sank in the St. Laurence river.

    In 1812 the Americans tried to seize lake Erie and were driven into safe harbor in Ohio where they remained for the duration of the war.

    That same year a force of Americans attempting to capture the Niagara peninsula was discovered by a young farm girl named Laura Secord who led her cattle through American lines and warned a force of Huron and Canadian settlers led by a British colonel who drove the Americans into Lake Erie.

    You were beat.

    We also own your ass in hockey and Cubans are better at baseball.
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    Re: Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by kramercat View Post
    We need to end the stupid Cuban embargo... like now.

    "the Americans have lost nearly all international support for the embargo since the collapse of the Soviet Union. No other nation besides the United States has an economic embargo against Cuba."


    Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion
    I completely agree with you and don't hold out any hope of compensation for the Cubans

    The cold war stance/justification was that it was a " soviet satellite" but then that excludes the fact that initially the Cuban revolutionary leadership wished to be part of the non aligned states and eventually had no alternative but to seek soviet assistance.

    The ridiculousness of the embargo was further highlighted after the demise of the USSR with the Helms Burton Act which amongst other things includes

    International Sanctions against the Cuban Government. Economic embargo, any non-U.S. company that deals economically with Cuba can be subjected to legal action and that company's leadership can be barred from entry into the United States. Sanctions may be applied to non-U.S. companies trading with Cuba. This means that internationally operating companies have to choose between Cuba and the U.S., which is a much larger market.
    Helms

    I'm not sure whether people here know or not but Cuba does have some organized democratic participation in the National Assembly of Peoples Power

    National Assembly of People's Power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Maybe when the US is satisfied with a meaningful democracy in Cuba they might role the project out at home ( btw it's the same here in the UK imo )
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

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    Re: Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    The US and EU have embargoes on China.

    Technology embargoes. Weapons specifically.

    We won't even give China a tommy gun, that's how strict the weapons technologies embargo is. And we more or less forced the EU to follow suit.
    Fair enough. I was talking to the extent of the Cuban Embargo, but good point.
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    Re: Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I seem to recall that after the Cuban revolution, the state confiscated the land and business assets of American citizens and restitution has never been made in this regard. Is there any other country in the world that America has open economic relations with where similar state seizures have occurred and not been rectified? Along those same lines, there are many Cubans who saw their land and assets seized and had to flee in order to save their own lives - what restitution is being offered to these families?
    ... Lol... Canadians really shouldn't be talking about restitution of land. They're not all that willing to give back any of the land the British took away from Native Americans by force. As a matter of fact, any of the land which has been returned has been embargoed in much of the same way which the US embargoes Canada. Wait, why is restitution of land a precondition for lifting the embargo? Have we embargoed South Africa? What about the Philippines? What about China? What about Haiti? Americans lost property in every single one of those countries and at no point has restitution of land been a precondition for trade with them.
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    Re: Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    You picked one country and labeled as oppressing it's people, so we need to embargo it. But you aren't willing to do it to China. Hypocrite much?
    To say that makes no sense at all is putting it mildly. It"s borderline idiotic. Obama might do it.
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    Re: Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yeah they are different, the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, not Cuba. But hey you would rather deal with Saudi Arabia and China along with their hacking, human rights violations instead of Cuba. Time to get out of the Cold war son, it's over.
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    Re: Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    What do you call the bay of pigs?

    And I said nothing about today, put away the six guns, you'd be nuked by Russia if you tried.

    The FACT as stated is truth. The United States invaded Canada by attacking the citadel at Quebec City in 1776, the forces were repelled with large losses. The expeditionary force attempted to escape by building boats out of green wood which sank in the St. Laurence river.

    In 1812 the Americans tried to seize lake Erie and were driven into safe harbor in Ohio where they remained for the duration of the war...
    I am just wondering what the point is as applied to today's discussion? Are you trying to say that we would lose a conflict with either of those countries? I mean Cuba, that might take a weekend. And Canada? Why bother?
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    Re: Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Jeffery Dahmer killed innocent people and was German. Should we have attacked Germany?
    Yet you want to punish a country for something they said DECADES ago. Also you claim they are oppresive, well so is ALOT of countries we deal with and the U.S. has no problem with that. Again, the cold war is over, I will cheer when Cold War idiots go out to pasture.

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