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    Re: Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The fact that Havana is so desperate to end the embargo is a sign that it works. We should not end the embargo and instead should continue to use it as a lever for forcing the democratization and liberalization of that authoritarian island.

    It works?


    And how is Cuba desperate?

    They've been sticking their **** finger in America's eye for a half a century!

    I guess it doesn't matter to you that whole silly paranoid mess is illegal and that the US is all alone in the world in their war against the Cuba people.


    Look, if Cuba is run by a tyrant, is harboring terrorists as the US has claimed for 50 years why the hell are you fighting terrorists half a world away when you have this terrible threat right on your pathetic doorstep?

    The largest, most well fed, well equipped fighting force in the world, more nukes than all other countries combines, a spy network larger than some countries and you quiver and quake at a little Caribbean island. Meanwhile you president wars against regimes across the middle east and eastern Europe.

    I call that cowardice. If they are so bad and you are so tough, why not invade again...

    Oh, right you got sent home the last time.
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    Re: Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    i dont think ending the embargo will help cubans at all so long as fidel still pulls strings behind the scenes,he is the wealthiest dictator alive and has siphoned much of what the country produced over the years.

    raul on the other hand has slowly reversed fidels policies,and can be seen as better towards guiding cuba away from a dictatorship state capitalism.raul was never much a supporter of the comunist state as fidel and che were.so long as fidel stays in the shadows,cuba will not progress even with trade.


    Obviously you have never been to Cuba and know only what your government tells you.

    Despite the US embargo, attempts by the CIA to destroy the sugar crop and with declining aid from Russia in the last two decades, the Castro regime has forged Cuba into one of the leading economies in the Caribbean. Their health care is rated among the best in the world, and the very best in the Caribbean.

    Fidel and Raul have deep respect in the international community, Fidel was among many heads of state for the funeral of former prime minister Pierre Trudeau.

    The US, in shame of being exposed for the state supported terrorism of the Mafia bosses in the 50's and 60's maintains this myth sop they can appear like tough guys.

    The world is laughing at you
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    Re: Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Since when has America ever been interested in the "principled position"?

    They supported the brutal dictatorship of Batista for business interests that lead to the wider support for the communist rebels in the first place...

    By opening trade with Cuba and making them play by the same trading rules as everyone else, you gain 12 million consumers for your products and you strengthen the forces of reform and freedom.
    No, no you don't. You live under the naive assumption that free trade with Cuba results in free trade for the Cuban people. This is obviously not the case as you can see in the squalor the majority of Cubans live in even while Cuba has open trade with Russian, Canada and Europe.

    Also, your argument with regard to Batista is what is known as a "tu quoque" fallacy.
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    Re: Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Yes, locking up terrorists caught on the battlefield is far worse than totalitarianism. I've rarely seen such ignorance.
    I see you skipped the part about what Cubans are " free " to become once the Castros are gone or what preceded them.

    You are aware that in the early part of the Afghanistan invasion and occupation the US military were giving out $ 5,000 " rewards " for anyone handing over " terrorists " ? In a dirt poor country I'm sure that that is open to abuse

    See , people like you think that so long as you are the ones giving out the labels all else doesn't matter. I don't think you think things through properly
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    Re: Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Hmmm... what was our total damage? I would end it, but only if the Castros and the communist government are gone. In fact, we should just take a page out of Putin's book and take it over. So, let's storm the place, capture (read:kill) the commie leaders, free the oppressed people, and make Cuba a territory of the USA. Our big corporations could crank up that economy and start creating jobs like crazy.
    I believe that is exactly what Cubans don't want. Nor I, for that matter. Cuba-best medical care in the Western hemisphere. No Monsantos. No Exxon/Mobils. No JPMorgans. No Goldman Sachs. No Energy politics running their Nation. Why would they want any big corporations to crank up their economy. Maybe Big Corporations are the problem, not the solution.

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    Re: Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    It works?


    And how is Cuba desperate?

    They've been sticking their **** finger in America's eye for a half a century!

    I guess it doesn't matter to you that whole silly paranoid mess is illegal and that the US is all alone in the world in their war against the Cuba people.


    Look, if Cuba is run by a tyrant, is harboring terrorists as the US has claimed for 50 years why the hell are you fighting terrorists half a world away when you have this terrible threat right on your pathetic doorstep?

    The largest, most well fed, well equipped fighting force in the world, more nukes than all other countries combines, a spy network larger than some countries and you quiver and quake at a little Caribbean island. Meanwhile you president wars against regimes across the middle east and eastern Europe.

    I call that cowardice. If they are so bad and you are so tough, why not invade again...

    Oh, right you got sent home the last time.
    Are you advocating an invasion to overthrow the Cuban despotism? I'm game.

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    Re: Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Are you advocating an invasion to overthrow the Cuban despotism? I'm game.
    Feel free to start...

    I will be sitting in a Havana waterfront cafe watching
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    Re: Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Feel free to start...

    I will be sitting in a Havana waterfront cafe watching
    Awfully dangerous place to be in an invasion but at least we can agree on the importance of bringing democracy to Cuba.

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    Re: Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Awfully dangerous place to be in an invasion but at least we can agree on the importance of bringing democracy to Cuba.
    When you actually HAVE democracy to bring and they ASK for it....MAYBE I will agree with you.

    But I don't see much "democracy" in the Excited States. And I guess you missed my post about how Cuba is a more attractive tourist destination than your filthy, crime ridden cities.

    BTW, I LOVE how America brought "democracy" to Iraq, Iran in the days of the Shah and how they so wonderfully supported "democracy" in Cuba through it's puppet, Mafia controlled government. When you actually get to live in a "democracy instead of an overblown plutocracy where lobbyists and money call the shots, then talk to me about "bringing democracy."
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    Re: Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    cuba actually has well trained doctors,their issue isnt training,its lack of supplies and facilities.part of their main issue is lack of funds for basic medical supplies,further the international comunity is reluctant to donate after canada donated vaccines to cuba,which sold them for profit instead of using them.
    I've done a little googling and can't find any references for your claim , can you provide any links for it ?
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

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