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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

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    You dont have to live in a military state to be vigilant in fighting terrorism. You have to be conscious and aware and when possible, you have to attack the head of the snake so they know to stay under their little rock. That doesnt require nukes and it DOES require exercising better intel. It also requires better cooperation with non-fundamentalist states and better education/awareness progress throughout the ME.

    There are better models to follow in places like Iraq. They will never be a US style democracy. They dont have to be controlled by a brutal dictator like Saddam. Both Bush and Obama have done a dismal job of engaging Muslim leaders in helping Iraq establish a healthy government.

    You are simply wrong if you believe ISIS is not a threat because they are 'only' butchering people in Iraq and Syria.

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    A threat? Perhaps.

    A direct threat?

    Please demonstrate with suitable references that ISIS is a direct threat to the security of the US at this moment.

    Do you have ANY evidence that agents of ISIS have penetrated US security and that civilian live are at risk.

    And please demonstrate how, if waring against terrorists over there is the answer, you have an even greater, and more brutal threat after nearly 14 years of war, 7 of which occurred in the very country the president is attacking again.
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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No...they werent. Fundamentalists have ALWAYS existed in that region. Fundamentalists are not progressive...they arent liberty minded...they dont believe in a happy peaceful world where we will all live together in harmony. We didnt 'create' fundamentalists.
    Who's denying that there has always been fundamentalists in the ME? You said they need to be taught to stay under their little rock, while I said that they were always there. Until we engaged in regime change throughout the region which has created the vacuums for them to exploit, and thrive in.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

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    A threat? Perhaps.

    A direct threat?

    Please demonstrate with suitable references that ISIS is a direct threat to the security of the US at this moment.

    Do you have ANY evidence that agents of ISIS have penetrated US security and that civilian live are at risk.

    And please demonstrate how, if waring against terrorists over there is the answer, you have an even greater, and more brutal threat after nearly 14 years of war, 7 of which occurred in the very country the president is attacking again.
    Right up until 8:48 AM on 9/11 we had no direct evidence Al Qaida was a threat to the US.

    At some point, all we can really do is take them at their word.

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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Who's denying that there has always been fundamentalists in the ME? You said they need to be taught to stay under their little rock, while I said that they were always there. Until we engaged in regime change throughout the region which has created the vacuums for them to exploit, and thrive in.
    Again...you are completely mistaken. You HAVE to understand...history did not begin with the first Gulf War. Or the 2nd. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman, Kuwait...those countries have battled fundamentalist Muslims for a long long time. They keep them in check in a lot of different ways.

    Khomeni was not a benevolent religious leader until he was unjustly targeted by the Shah. He was a fundamentalist and advocated for the violent overthrow of the government and the installation of Shariah.

    Fundamentalists are what they are. Always have been...always will be.

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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Right up until 8:48 AM on 9/11 we had no direct evidence Al Qaida was a threat to the US.

    At some point, all we can really do is take them at their word.
    Oh....

    So you didn't fix the problem is that it?

    Cuba then is also a direct threat and you've never had an indication Canadians are attacking....better go condition red.

    OK, you were asked for a citation and failed to do so..instead carried the debate on speculation, hearsay and it appears some steer manure

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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
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    A threat? Perhaps.

    A direct threat?

    Please demonstrate with suitable references that ISIS is a direct threat to the security of the US at this moment.

    Do you have ANY evidence that agents of ISIS have penetrated US security and that civilian live are at risk.

    And please demonstrate how, if waring against terrorists over there is the answer, you have an even greater, and more brutal threat after nearly 14 years of war, 7 of which occurred in the very country the president is attacking again.
    Here's your sign:

    Fort Bliss raises security as Sept. 11 approaches, ISIS developments raise concern - El Paso Times
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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Again...you are completely mistaken. You HAVE to understand...history did not begin with the first Gulf War. Or the 2nd. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman, Kuwait...those countries have battled fundamentalist Muslims for a long long time. They keep them in check in a lot of different ways.

    Khomeni was not a benevolent religious leader until he was unjustly targeted by the Shah. He was a fundamentalist and advocated for the violent overthrow of the government and the installation of Shariah.

    Fundamentalists are what they are. Always have been...always will be.
    How's it that really different from what I'm saying? THEY, kept them in check indeed, and several of "they" have been removed, and in the power vacuum that was left these guys have crawled out from under their rocks and are menacing the ME, and now allegedly, supposedly, are even a threat to the US mainland!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    How's it that really different from what I'm saying? THEY, kept them in check indeed, and several of "they" have been removed, and in the power vacuum that was left these guys have crawled out from under their rocks and are menacing the ME, and now allegedly, supposedly, are even a threat to the US mainland!
    You probably have missed it but I have stated numerous times that in 2011 Obama was 'kinda' correct. Al Qaida WAS on the run. ISIS WAS for all intent and purposes a non-entity. And then, something happened.

    We left.

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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    How's it that really different from what I'm saying? THEY, kept them in check indeed, and several of "they" have been removed, and in the power vacuum that was left these guys have crawled out from under their rocks and are menacing the ME, and now allegedly, supposedly, are even a threat to the US mainland!
    They are not a direct threat to the US mainland and never will be, but you are forgetting that this war is based on terrifying the enemy. That's why the decapitations, the rape of women, etc.

    Terror attacks have been happening repeatedly in the US with the DC snipers, Fort Hood murders and the Boston Marathon killings getting the most publicity. There have also been several unsuccessful attempts. This is how the jihadists will attack. One person will kill one, three or thirty, it doesn't really matter. We have seen the same thing happening in the UK as well. And each time this happens, if the media reports it, we call them temporarily insane, or workplace violence, etc. But of course there will be more of this and, I believe, it will increase.

    You have to think like a terrorist in order to understand how they can defeat their enemies. They certainly aren't going to try it through traditional means.

    Here's a list of some of the killings in the US since 9/11, though I don't think honor killings should be included. Nonetheless you get the idea. List of Islamic Terror Attacks in America

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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

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    The Admin is staying true to form...****ing up.
    Just like you are par for the course attacking the admin ad nauseam.

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