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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Didn't that O'Keefe fella already demonstrate this?
    He also showed how they could infiltrate from Canada.
    I could do it myself.
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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Well, lets see....

    Approximately 500,000 people sneak into the US annually, and about 85% across the US-Mexican border.

    Now, if I am a terrorist do I:

    1] try to sneak in aboard a container?
    2] try to fly in?
    or 3] walk across with a few dozen Mexicans.

    I'll go with door number 3 Alex!

    Unless you are a moron, you would take door number 2!! Only right wing fear mongering would ever lead one to believe otherwise. There are literally millions of people flying in and out of the US every year, far more than the number of people who attempt to cross the border. As long as the person isn't carrying the tools with which they will attack on their person, why would they have trouble getting into the country?
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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Irrelevant.

    Simply because two administrations in a row underestimated the Al Qaeda threat does not mean that ISIS is automatically about to blow up Washington. Because Obama had an agenda of "I stopped racism" in an election does not mean that the US need start nuking the region as some have openly suggested...and let's include Iran because they will have the bomb any day now. And we never hear about how the terrorists came to live among you\even after being under suspicion at one time, take flying lessons in your schools while taking months to study your security....

    Sooner or later a frightened populace needs to take a look at the real evidence and decide whether living in a military state is worth it.

    Syria/Iraq is not a security issue, it is purely political, staging for the mid terms, with the hawks trying to make Obama a dove, and Obama trying to make it look like he knows where to take a dump.

    Fact - more people die EVERY year on US highways than all the foreign terrorists deaths of civilians.
    Fact - NOT ONE terrorist has ever successfully penetrated US security.
    Fact - there have been more deaths through domestic security than foreign
    Fact - 14 years of continuous warfare, half of it on two fronts, an aggressive drone killing campaign and billions in aid to stop terrorism and the problem is worse.


    So, let's do more of what we've been doing.
    I'll buy your facts # 1, 3 & 4. #2 isn't credible and even "U.S. Security" would not make that claim.
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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    I'm all about whatever we decide to do as long as it doesn't involve troops back in Iraq. If air bombing isn't the answer because people complain it does nothing, what else can we do? What else is stronger?

    I like two options.

    #1 nuke Iraq and parts of Syria

    #2 Stay out of Iraq and Syria, it's their problem we're done, they wanna complain so hard then maybe they can do something for change.

    So you see two options? Do nothing or.....or..... or kill every living person in the region. That is thoughtful and intelligent analysis. Do you understand that you are talking about genocide of actual human beings, correct? Human beings whose lives have already been terribly impacted by American actions. That is not enough for you though, now we need to nuke them!! Astonishing.
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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    We should do everything we can within reason to secure ourselves domestically but... the odds of being a victim of terrorism in the U.S. is almost nil. 9/11 was a terrible, terrible failure and we have to make sure nothing massive like that can ever happen again. There's always going to be a chance some lone cell or wolf can sneak in and bomb a crowded event, or go nilly willy with machine guns somewhere. However there are many things far more dangerous and likely to occur to the common American. Worrying about it or throwing excessive amounts of resources towards security isn't a very productive investment.

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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Totally true.


    Quick now, what is the difference between threat level yellow and threat level orange?

    If you can answer that you are among about 1% of the American population and not in wealth, I suspect otherwise you would have far superior entertainment to this.

    I recently cleaned out some old books and came across Orwell's, 1984...and how they had threat levels or whatever they called them, only ever-changing enemies interchanged with allies, and the ministry of Truth that re-wrote recent history...while the ministry of Information created propaganda.

    As I read, I had no trouble placing that script over top the USA of today, simply change a few names, like Ministry of Information to Homeland Security.

    Then I read Machiavelli's "The Prince"......the guarantee of power, sometimes passed between rivals, through the deliberate creation of 'fear, uncertanty and doubt' which the Prince declares the essence of keeping the populace "orderly and manageable".

    Odd, even though reading classical literature, I had no sense of the historical, more the hysterical.
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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by Frodly View Post
    So you see two options? Do nothing or.....or..... or kill every living person in the region. That is thoughtful and intelligent analysis. Do you understand that you are talking about genocide of actual human beings, correct? Human beings whose lives have already been terribly impacted by American actions. That is not enough for you though, now we need to nuke them!! Astonishing.
    Yes it is astonishing isn't it, having lost all hope for the residents in the ME.
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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    I realize repercussions as well as benefits.

    What are the benefits exactly? Are they the same benefits the Nazis saw in wiping out the Jews?
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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by Frodly View Post
    What are the benefits exactly? Are they the same benefits the Nazis saw in wiping out the Jews?
    Jews and Nazis is irrelevant. The Jews didn't demolish important buildings in Germany, causing thousands to die instantly.

    The ME is nothing but a cluster****.

    The only thing I ever wished we could do was go back in time and never kick Saddam off the throne.
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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Wasn't it great to see an administration be honest to congress?
    We didn't get too much of that last administration did we?
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    Nah,they'll just poopoo it like every other out-of-the-ordinary thing that
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