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U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

Sorry, they were not moderates.

Mujahideen (Arabic: مجاهد‎ muǧāhid, nominative plural مجاهدون muǧāhidūn, oblique plural مجاهدين muǧāhidīn "strugglers" or "people doing jihad") is a term that Muslims use to describe those they see as Muslims who struggle in the path of Allah.[1][2] The word is from the same Arabic triliteral root as jihad ("struggle"). In recent years, Mujahideen has been most closely associated by the west with radical Islam, encompassing several militant groups and struggles.

Mujahideen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have to wonder if you read what you posted there. Mujahideen is a word, like jihad, that has a lot of different meanings. All those who joined in the rebellion in Afghanistan were considered "Mujahideen", but they were not a close knit group.

The one radical mentioned here who joined the mujahideen ended up exiled from Afghanistan years before the war with the US, so blaming the US for him is a stretch. That is like blaming the Oklahoma City bombing on Operation Desert Storm because Timothy McVeigh participated in both.
 
Do you get all your insights from the NYTimes op eds? But in any case, as I said, Pakistan is no one's friend.

And like I said, Bush failed to perceive that. Here, you don't like the NYTimes,


Bush names Pakistan 'major ally'

Pakistani forces often co-ordinate attacks with US troops in Afghanistan
President George W Bush has upgraded relations with Pakistan by formally naming it as a major non-Nato ally.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3814013.stm
 
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I have to wonder if you read what you posted there. Mujahideen is a word, like jihad, that has a lot of different meanings. All those who joined in the rebellion in Afghanistan were considered "Mujahideen", but they were not a close knit group.

The one radical mentioned here who joined the mujahideen ended up exiled from Afghanistan years before the war with the US, so blaming the US for him is a stretch. That is like blaming the Oklahoma City bombing on Operation Desert Storm because Timothy McVeigh participated in both.

Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency program to arm and finance the Afghan mujahideen prior to and during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, 1979 to 1989. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups......

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
 
And Libertarians don't want to impede anyone's freedom...coming or going.

Absolutely. And if there's a problem w/certain classes of individuals, we'll bring up the issue w/the Native Americans.

Why don't you rag on Libertarians for a while?

You want to deport us, too? Good luck :lamo
 
Absolutely. And if there's a problem w/certain classes of individuals, we'll bring up the issue w/the Native Americans.



You want to deport us, too? Good luck :lamo

Well that was my attempt to keep you from looking partisan and foolish. Better luck next round.
 
Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency program to arm and finance the Afghan mujahideen prior to and during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, 1979 to 1989. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups......

Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They helped the Afghan people fight the invading Russians. Americans have helped protect weaker nations from stronger invaders in the past, and have been thanked for it.
 
They helped the Afghan people fight the invading Russians. Americans have helped protect weaker nations from stronger invaders in the past, and have been thanked for it.

We'll yes, you would be here regularly arguing with me that the US hasn't been supporting militant Islamic groups, and then change your argument to say yeah, that's what we do to help the weak. You never have had credibility here and still do not.

The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups
. OH, BUT LET THE APOLOGISTS TELL IT, AND THEY WERE MODERATES, HOW NICE.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone


This goes precisely with my long term position, that you don't weaken, diminish, degrade or destroy militant Islamic groups, by supporting them and removing figures like Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad that gave them no quarters. You can't have it both ways. But you go right on and continue supporting failed policies.
 
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Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency program to arm and finance the Afghan mujahideen prior to and during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, 1979 to 1989. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups......

Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


There were multiple sources of funding of various groups in the "mujahideen". And as I pointed out already, the one who is so often pointed out as the guy we created, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, was sitting on his ass in Iran when AQ and the Taliban were working up the 9/11 attacks.
 
A senior Homeland Security (DHS) official confirmed to Congress on Wednesday that militants associated with the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL or ISIS) are planning to enter the United States via the porous southern border.

Francis Taylor, under secretary for intelligence and analysis at DHS, told senators during a hearing that ISIL supporters are known to be plotting ways to infiltrate the United States through the border.

“There have been Twitter, social media exchanges among ISIL adherents across the globe speaking about that as a possibility,” Taylor told Sen. John McCain (R., Ariz.) in response to a question about “recent reports on Twitter and Facebook of messages that would urge infiltration into the U.S. across our southwestern border.”



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BUT we've been assured that the border is protected more than ever and there is absolutely no foreseeable threat from IS here in the homeland.

Hold the phone, kids! Didn't the Pentagon or someone a few weeks ago sat that there was not an ISIS threat from our borders?
If that's the case, then this administration once again contradicited itself.
 
The means to infiltrate are by influencing the weakest people who are already citizens of the country. To stop such influencing you need to communicate, cooperate, and reach out to more of the citizens so as to stop ISIS propaganda from brainwashing the isolated ones. Teaching everyone critical thinking could also help, for no one in their right mind would betray their country, risk their lives, and join the barbarians.
 
There were multiple sources of funding of various groups in the "mujahideen". And as I pointed out already, the one who is so often pointed out as the guy we created, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, was sitting on his ass in Iran when AQ and the Taliban were working up the 9/11 attacks.

Yes, and as I pointed out, as a matter of policy, support of the extremists was favored over support of moderates as has been the claim both about A-Stan and more recently Syria.

The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
 
Yes, and as I pointed out, as a matter of policy, support of the extremists was favored over support of moderates as has been the claim both about A-Stan and more recently Syria.

The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups

Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I can play the Wikipedia game too!

The early foundations of al-Qaida were allegedly built in part on relationships and weaponry that came from the billions of dollars in U.S. support for the Afghan mujahadin during the war to expel Soviet forces from that country.[10] However, scholars such as Jason Burke, Steve Coll, Peter Bergen, Christopher Andrew, and Vasily Mitrokhin have argued that Bin Laden was "outside of CIA eyesight" and that there is "no support" in any "reliable source" for "the claim that the CIA funded bin Laden or any of the other Arab volunteers who came to support the mujahideen."[11][12][13][14]

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Well, he was exiled by the Taliban in 1996, and even Pakistan dumped him in 1994, so it seems rather silly to blame the US.

So it is safe to say that the US supplied him through ISI during the war in Afghanistan, but the claim that the war in Afghanistan made Hekmatyar is a stretch.

The same ISI that gave its backing to the Taliban.

We should have been supporting Ahmed Shah mossud of the northern alliance.
 
The same ISI that gave its backing to the Taliban.

We should have been supporting Ahmed Shah mossud of the northern alliance.

I agree, and we were backing him. I said earlier that the biggest sin of the US involvement in Afghanistan was in pulling up stakes and leaving the moderate factions to twist in the wind after the Soviets withdrew.
 
I agree, and we were backing him. I said earlier that the biggest sin of the US involvement in Afghanistan was in pulling up stakes and leaving the moderate factions to twist in the wind after the Soviets withdrew.

Is it no surprise that Ahmed shaw mousoud was assasinated two days prior to 9/11/2001?
 
I can play the Wikipedia game too!

The early foundations of al-Qaida were allegedly built in part on relationships and weaponry that came from the billions of dollars in U.S. support for the Afghan mujahadin during the war to expel Soviet forces from that country.[10] However, scholars such as Jason Burke, Steve Coll, Peter Bergen, Christopher Andrew, and Vasily Mitrokhin have argued that Bin Laden was "outside of CIA eyesight" and that there is "no support" in any "reliable source" for "the claim that the CIA funded bin Laden or any of the other Arab volunteers who came to support the mujahideen."[11][12][13][14]

(source)

I didn't speak to OBL or al Qaeda in this. I was refereeing first to Carter and then to Reagan's policy of support for MILITANT ISLAMIC GROUPS, a policy that has carried through to the present, and is responsible for the chaos we have in the Middle East today. Lets keep on topic.
 
I didn't speak to OBL or al Qaeda in this. I was refereeing first to Carter and then to Reagan's policy of support for MILITANT ISLAMIC GROUPS, a policy that has carried through to the present, and is responsible for the chaos we have in the Middle East today. Lets keep on topic.

And again, What Islamic militant groups have the US supported? The mess in the Middle East is not the fault of the US Government, and the mess in Afghanistan is not the US fault either (that fault lies withe the Soviet Union). Islamic militancy has been around forever. Read Thomas Jefferson's accounts of the Barbary pirates, and earlier than that. This is nothing new.
 
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