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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Another threat we will ignore until thousands die.
    Or we could put boots on the ground in Iraq and Syria and loose more people than we did on 911 just like we did last time.

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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    So terrorists are getting through your airports?

    I think we're done here
    Do you have anything to back up the implicit claim that they are not getting through our airports or cannot do so easily?

    For example, do you think our intelligence operatives have identified 100% of ISIS sympathizers? 90%? 30%? 10%? I have no idea, but my guess is the number identified by name and country of origin sufficient to put them on the no-fly list is far closer to 10% than 90%. And it would be FAR easier to move around the U.S. without suspicion if the terrorists arrived legally. Seems like the obvious PREFERRED method of arriving here for all kinds of good reasons, which is probably why ALL NINETEEN of the 9/11 attackers got here on visas of various sorts.

    BTW, it should also be obvious that if we did have a Berlin Wall kind of southern border that we would only very slightly reduce our risk of terrorist attack in the U.S. A free country just cannot control its borders sufficient to eliminate the risk. We WANT free travel to and from here, and that free travel means bad guys can very likely find a way in if they are determined to do so. If the bad guys can't, they'll find someone to act in their place, and come in as a dozen or two of the 80,000,000 travelers here per year.
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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    So terrorists are getting through your airports?

    I think we're done here
    When terrorists pass through airports it's unlikely they would list 'terrorist' as their occupation. While Black maybe the color of fashion in the Middle East they tend to be less obtrusive when entering western countries.

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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Do you have anything to back up the implicit claim that they are not getting through our airports or cannot do so easily?

    For example, do you think our intelligence operatives have identified 100% of ISIS sympathizers? 90%? 30%? 10%? I have no idea, but my guess is the number identified by name and country of origin sufficient to put them on the no-fly list is far closer to 10% than 90%. And it would be FAR easier to move around the U.S. without suspicion if the terrorists arrived legally. Seems like the obvious PREFERRED method of arriving here for all kinds of good reasons, which is probably why ALL NINETEEN of the 9/11 attackers got here on visas of various sorts.

    BTW, it should also be obvious that if we did have a Berlin Wall kind of southern border that we would only very slightly reduce our risk of terrorist attack in the U.S. A free country just cannot control its borders sufficient to eliminate the risk. We WANT free travel to and from here, and that free travel means bad guys can very likely find a way in if they are determined to do so. If the bad guys can't, they'll find someone to act in their place, and come in as a dozen or two of the 80,000,000 travelers here per year.
    Israel has enjoyed a great deal of success with their fence, and its design, but of course they are dealing with far less distance.

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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Israel has enjoyed a great deal of success with their fence, and its design, but of course they are dealing with far less distance.
    Right. We COULD do it here, but it would come at an immense cost for the border control measures, and at the points of legal entry lots of inconvenience for all the 79,999,980 non-terrorists wanting to travel legally here/year and all U.S. travelers going abroad.

    It's my own view that if terrorist groups want to attack us in the U.S. that they can find a way to get people here to do it.

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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Exactly, Hussein, was removed eleven years ago, the others more recently, where is the conflict. It's their removal that has caused the trouble in the ME, along with decades of support for militant Islamic groups, beginning (at least) with the Mujahideen. And your simply being dishonest about my representation of Obama. I've pointed out endlessly that he has supported militant Islamic groups, MB, in Egypt, AQ in Syria and Libya, abused the UN resolution for use of force in Libya, by overthrowing Gaddafi, leaving Libya in a terrible state, has interfered in Ukrainian economic negotiations with Russia causing a cluster**** up there, and has succeeded in pushing Russia and China closer together. So how is it exactly that I'm defending Obama?
    The "mujaheddin" in Afghanistan was not a single unified force. The US supported the moderate, pro western Afghan resistance in the conflict whereas Saudi Arabia and other Muslim nations formed the "Afghan Arab" brigades that would go on to form the Taliban after the conflict. The faction supported by the US later became the Northern Alliance which was a moderate Muslim resistance to the Taliban. The error in Afghanistan for the US was not in the support for the Afghanistan resistance, but in dropping support for them once the Soviets left. The pro-western forces left in Afghanistan after the Soviet withdrawal were the only forces left out to dry.

    Can you give me an idea of who the radical Islamists are that the US supposedly supported? You seem to think there are several.
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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The "mujaheddin" in Afghanistan was not a single unified force. The US supported the moderate, pro western Afghan resistance in the conflict whereas Saudi Arabia and other Muslim nations formed the "Afghan Arab" brigades that would go on to form the Taliban after the conflict. The faction supported by the US later became the Northern Alliance which was a moderate Muslim resistance to the Taliban. The error in Afghanistan for the US was not in the support for the Afghanistan resistance, but in dropping support for them once the Soviets left. The pro-western forces left in Afghanistan after the Soviet withdrawal were the only forces left out to dry.

    Can you give me an idea of who the radical Islamists are that the US supposedly supported? You seem to think there are several.
    Pakistan recomended that we support this guy

    Gulbuddin Hekmatyar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And that guy later became a terrorist fighting againist us.
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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Right. We COULD do it here, but it would come at an immense cost for the border control measures, and at the points of legal entry lots of inconvenience for all the 79,999,980 non-terrorists wanting to travel legally here/year and all U.S. travelers going abroad. It's my own view that if terrorist groups want to attack us in the U.S. that they can find a way to get people here to do it.
    A border fence would be expensive but the 'inconvenience' you mention is already there.. I don;t know how a proper border would inconvenience anyone.

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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Pakistan recomended that we support this guy

    Gulbuddin Hekmatyar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And that guy later became a terrorist fighting againist us.
    Pakistan is neither a friend or an ally.

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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The "mujaheddin" in Afghanistan was not a single unified force. The US supported the moderate, pro western Afghan resistance in the conflict whereas Saudi Arabia and other Muslim nations formed the "Afghan Arab" brigades that would go on to form the Taliban after the conflict. The faction supported by the US later became the Northern Alliance which was a moderate Muslim resistance to the Taliban. The error in Afghanistan for the US was not in the support for the Afghanistan resistance, but in dropping support for them once the Soviets left. The pro-western forces left in Afghanistan after the Soviet withdrawal were the only forces left out to dry.

    Can you give me an idea of who the radical Islamists are that the US supposedly supported? You seem to think there are several.
    Sorry, they were not moderates.

    Mujahideen (Arabic: مجاهد‎ muǧāhid, nominative plural مجاهدون muǧāhidūn, oblique plural مجاهدين muǧāhidīn "strugglers" or "people doing jihad") is a term that Muslims use to describe those they see as Muslims who struggle in the path of Allah.[1][2] The word is from the same Arabic triliteral root as jihad ("struggle"). In recent years, Mujahideen has been most closely associated by the west with radical Islam, encompassing several militant groups and struggles.

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