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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Your statement is amazingly self contradictory, Montecresto. On the one hand you credit US policy support for Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad because these leaders denied these groups "operational room", and then blame this same policy for the "Fine mess we have". Which is it? Seems to me that the support for these dictators, by your argument, was responsible for the lack of Islamic Radical proliferation in those states...

    But then we come to your statement that it isn't all Obama's fault... OK, well, let's look at that. By your argument you can blame Bush for removing Hussein, sure, but then we had it under control there when we had troops in place... who took all the troops out of Iraq? And Mubarack, Gaddafi? Surely you aren't blaming their ouster on anyone but Obama, right? Assad is the next Obama target.. and he is choosing to fight ISIS, a group that was born of the US armed Syrian rebellion, by... arming the Syrian rebellion.
    What the hell? Where did I credit US policy for support of Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad? And Bush is the one responsible for removing Hussein and the troubles we have there now, did I try to blame the other three on Bush?
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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What the hell? Where did I credit US policy for support of Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad? And Bush is the one responsible for removing Hussein and the troubles we have there now, did I try to blame the other three on Bush?
    You are crediting Hussein, Asad, Mubarak and Gaddafi for keeping Islamic radicals under control AND blaming the US for years of propping up Hussein, Asad, Mubarak and Gaddafi. It's a self defeating theory.

    And Iraq was under control before Obama removed all of the troops and started arming Syrian rebels.

    And Obama was duped badly by Al Qaeda in Libya into supporting their takeover of the country.

    The only reason that Egypt hasn't gone the way of Libya is because the US backed Egyptian Military took over after Obama's bungling that handed the government of Egypt to the Muslim frickin' Brotherhood.

    Obama is entirely responsible for the Clusterboink that is the Middle East today. In every aspect the Middle East and Eastern Europe are now a reflection of Obama's projected weakness.
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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    You are crediting Hussein, Asad, Mubarak and Gaddafi for keeping Islamic radicals under control AND blaming the US for years of propping up Hussein, Asad, Mubarak and Gaddafi. It's a self defeating theory.

    And Iraq was under control before Obama removed all of the troops and started arming Syrian rebels.

    And Obama was duped badly by Al Qaeda in Libya into supporting their takeover of the country.

    The only reason that Egypt hasn't gone the way of Libya is because the US backed Egyptian Military took over after Obama's bungling that handed the government of Egypt to the Muslim frickin' Brotherhood.

    Obama is entirely responsible for the Clusterboink that is the Middle East today. In every aspect the Middle East and Eastern Europe are now a reflection of Obama's projected weakness.
    Totally, totally misrepresenting my position on this jm. I have never criticised the US for propping up Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad. I've always believed that those guys in power were a better alternative to what we have with them now gone. If you'd only pay closer attention to what I actually say, if you want to criticise me, I have complained of US policies in the ME of supporting militant Islamic groups. A huge difference from what you present.

    And furthermore, why are you repeating what I have been saying all along as though it's something different? I point out regularly that Obama has failed in Egypt, Libya and Syria.

    Otherwise, Obama is responsible for the destabilisation that he committed, and Bush his. Oh, and Reagan his.
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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Totally, totally misrepresenting my position on this jm. I have never criticised the US for propping up Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad. I've always believed that those guys in power were a better alternative to what we have with them now gone. If you'd only pay closer attention to what I actually say, if you want to criticise me, I have complained of US policies in the ME of supporting militant Islamic groups. A huge difference from what you present.

    And furthermore, why are you repeating what I have been saying all along as though it's something different? I point out regularly that Obama has failed in Egypt, Libya and Syria.

    Otherwise, Obama is responsible for the destabilisation that he committed, and Bush his. Oh, and Reagan his.
    It's not hard to "misrepresent" you when you make statements like this:

    "Again, and again, Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad didn't allow these groups operational room. It's US policy for years that has delivered us the fine mess we have, and you want it to be ONLY Obama's fault."

    It is more in line with your whole body of work on this forum which amounts to blaming the US for everything while trying to absolve Obama for the state of the world 6 years into his hapless presidency.

    So tell me, when Obama took office we had an Iraqi leader in place that we were propping up and protecting from his rivals.... how was that different than your supported policy?
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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    This assumes that getting to Mexico is easy for ISIS. It is getting to USA from there that may be a problem.

    I do not think too much of of the southern border illegal crossing of ISIS. This to the degree that I think it may be used as means for pro-Border people to have their ways.
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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    A senior Homeland Security (DHS) official confirmed to Congress on Wednesday that militants associated with the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL or ISIS) are planning to enter the United States via the porous southern border.
    Well, they're not very bright, I wouldn't think. Probably easier to enter as a visitor or obtain a student visas, like all those who attacked us on 9/11. It's not that difficult to get here legally. Or go through Canada and the more porous and lightly guarded northern border.

    No doubt not having a Berlin Wall type of border with 10s of thousands of troops on border patrol with shoot to kill orders is a risk, but so is not living in a police state which is far better in terms of minimizing the risk of bad guys coming into the country and doing bad things while here. Also, too, we've all been through the 2000s and I'm sorry but I can only react to so many "WOLF!!!" cries before I become a bit jaded. Yes, we need to be vigilant, but we've lived with these risks for 200 years.

    BUT we've been assured that the border is protected more than ever and there is absolutely no foreseeable threat from IS here in the homeland.
    I don't think anyone claims the risk is zero, and we will always have to endure some risk of a bad guy coming here legally on a plane or boat or illegally across the hundreds of miles of our land borders to the north and south.

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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Well, lets see....

    Approximately 500,000 people sneak into the US annually, and about 85% across the US-Mexican border.

    Now, if I am a terrorist do I:

    1] try to sneak in aboard a container?
    2] try to fly in?
    or 3] walk across with a few dozen Mexicans.

    I'll go with door number 3 Alex!
    The 19 terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 all arrived here legally on student or visitor or business visas. So all 19 of them chose door number 2.

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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    71% of those polled and the POTUS are on board.
    Conservatives don't know numbers, stats, and facts. Therefore, "the muslums are coming" should still work as a slogan.

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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The 19 terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 all arrived here legally on student or visitor or business visas. So all 19 of them chose door number 2.
    Oh.....

    So, you're saying that would be the choice NOW...

    Now that the airports have been turned into battle zones, that is still the choice of terrorists?

    If you are correct, either terrorists are the stupidest people on the planet, or your security measure are a public relations show.

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    Re: U.S. confirms Islamic State planning infiltration of southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It's not hard to "misrepresent" you when you make statements like this:

    "Again, and again, Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad didn't allow these groups operational room. It's US policy for years that has delivered us the fine mess we have, and you want it to be ONLY Obama's fault."

    It is more in line with your whole body of work on this forum which amounts to blaming the US for everything while trying to absolve Obama for the state of the world 6 years into his hapless presidency.

    So tell me, when Obama took office we had an Iraqi leader in place that we were propping up and protecting from his rivals.... how was that different than your supported policy?
    Exactly, Hussein, was removed eleven years ago, the others more recently, where is the conflict. It's their removal that has caused the trouble in the ME, along with decades of support for militant Islamic groups, beginning (at least) with the Mujahideen. And your simply being dishonest about my representation of Obama. I've pointed out endlessly that he has supported militant Islamic groups, MB, in Egypt, AQ in Syria and Libya, abused the UN resolution for use of force in Libya, by overthrowing Gaddafi, leaving Libya in a terrible state, has interfered in Ukrainian economic negotiations with Russia causing a cluster**** up there, and has succeeded in pushing Russia and China closer together. So how is it exactly that I'm defending Obama?
    Last edited by Montecresto; 09-11-14 at 01:33 PM.
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