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    Re: 13 Year Old Piano Prodigy Treated As Truant By Public School System

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It's not enough to file a lawsuit, but it is enough to have your complaints heard, which is what this family did. They got their complaints heard, and brought the problem to the public eye, even if it is a minor issue. Obviously it was important to them. And it could be important to other families, especially in that area as well. Heck, some people even on this thread seemed to not be aware that students could get excused absences for something like this girl did.
    Their problem was heard before they ever went to the media.
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    Re: 13 Year Old Piano Prodigy Treated As Truant By Public School System

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Their problem was heard before they ever went to the media.
    Yet obviously not completely resolved to their satisfaction by then. This way, their problem became public so others can maybe know about such situations and have extra knowledge about alternative ways to deal with it.
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    Re: 13 Year Old Piano Prodigy Treated As Truant By Public School System

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Yet obviously not completely resolved to their satisfaction by then. This way, their problem became public so others can maybe know about such situations and have extra knowledge about alternative ways to deal with it.
    I see no need to resolve every issue to everyone's satisfaction. In fact, it's probably a bad goal to have.

    And this reporter's reporting provided inaccurate information and no alternative way of dealing with the problem. It was shoddy and sensationalistic journalism
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    Re: 13 Year Old Piano Prodigy Treated As Truant By Public School System

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I see no need to resolve every issue to everyone's satisfaction. In fact, it's probably a bad goal to have.

    And this reporter's reporting provided inaccurate information and no alternative way of dealing with the problem. It was shoddy and sensationalistic journalism
    How do you know that? We have no way of knowing whether the school was actually being honest in what they put out. I am giving the school the benefit of the doubt here in that they actually made a mistake with their system rather than there actually was an issue with them recording the absences wrong and then blowing off the family when they were having concerns (which I feel is actually a more likely scenario). We have two sides to the story, but one side isn't saying anything more than that this family should not have been harassed over absences that should have been excused, which is true. Multiple phone calls and letters after a person has informed you about the situation and the desire to not be contacted over the issue is harassment, even if it is unintentional.
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    Re: 13 Year Old Piano Prodigy Treated As Truant By Public School System

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    How do you know that? We have no way of knowing whether the school was actually being honest in what they put out. I am giving the school the benefit of the doubt here in that they actually made a mistake with their system rather than there actually was an issue with them recording the absences wrong and then blowing off the family when they were having concerns (which I feel is actually a more likely scenario). We have two sides to the story, but one side isn't saying anything more than that this family should not have been harassed over absences that should have been excused, which is true. Multiple phone calls and letters after a person has informed you about the situation and the desire to not be contacted over the issue is harassment, even if it is unintentional.
    It's not harrassment. That's just hysteria over a minor problem.

    And one side is saying more than just complaining about the letters, etc. They dishonestly claimed the kids is being termed "truant", which isn't true.
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    Re: 13 Year Old Piano Prodigy Treated As Truant By Public School System

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's not harrassment. That's just hysteria over a minor problem.

    And one side is saying more than just complaining about the letters, etc. They dishonestly claimed the kids is being termed "truant", which isn't true.
    They were receiving consistent letters that threatened the girl would be termed "truant". That is true.

    And yes, that is harassment.

    harassment legal definition of harassment

    harassment (either harris-meant or huh-rass-meant) n. the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands.

    This is exactly what was happening to this family. One group (the school) was continuing to send unwanted and annoying messages, via mail and phone, that threatened action against someone, despite efforts to make that group quit.
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    Re: 13 Year Old Piano Prodigy Treated As Truant By Public School System

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They were receiving consistent letters that threatened the girl would be termed "truant". That is true.

    And yes, that is harassment.

    harassment legal definition of harassment

    harassment (either harris-meant or huh-rass-meant) n. the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands.

    This is exactly what was happening to this family. One group (the school) was continuing to send unwanted and annoying messages, via mail and phone, that threatened action against someone, despite efforts to make that group quit.
    It wasn't harrassment. None of the communications contained threats or demands. They merely explained the legal consequences of truancy. Since the matter was resolved, and the child was never deemed truant, there was no threat. Just hysteria
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    Re: 13 Year Old Piano Prodigy Treated As Truant By Public School System

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, I didn't miss those things at all. I'm saying that the school has an issue with their program or whatever they are using to send out notices about truancy when someone reaches 10 unexcused absences, particularly if they aren't even really doing anything about it anyway. They need to stop trying to scare parents with an overload of letters and phone calls that essentially threats that they will do something, especially if they have already accounted for the student as not really being unexcused or close to truant. That is the issue I have with this. They are unwilling to take responsibility for their program/system and actually change it so that this doesn't happen. Instead, they make excuses saying "well it was a miscommunication", when really it was their system (unless they are lying about this).
    I agree that the trend of recent truancy laws are a but much. But automated communications are not threatening. ANd in this case that we are discussing there never anything to those automated communications, the parents were informed to ignore them. Nothing is on the girls record or the parents record. And was never going to be.

    But I get it you are opposed to laws that bind parents to keeping their kids in school on a regular basis. Something that they should be doing anyways. Truancy should not be defined as a delinquent act or criminal offense. rather, truancy should be viewed as a symptom and addressed by a partnership among schools, communities, probation, juvenile courts, law enforcement, parents, youth and etc. But some parents just are not god parents. And kids suffer because of it. Tough decisions have to be made and something has to be done that would include educating children that live in less than favorable conditions. If you are a good parent you already know that a phone call or a letter was incorrect and you follow up and make sure that it is corrected. You dont just freak out and go lie to a reporter.

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    Re: 13 Year Old Piano Prodigy Treated As Truant By Public School System

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I agree that the trend of recent truancy laws are a but much. But automated communications are not threatening. ANd in this case that we are discussing there never anything to those automated communications, the parents were informed to ignore them. Nothing is on the girls record or the parents record. And was never going to be.

    But I get it you are opposed to laws that bind parents to keeping their kids in school on a regular basis. Something that they should be doing anyways. Truancy should not be defined as a delinquent act or criminal offense. rather, truancy should be viewed as a symptom and addressed by a partnership among schools, communities, probation, juvenile courts, law enforcement, parents, youth and etc. But some parents just are not god parents. And kids suffer because of it. Tough decisions have to be made and something has to be done that would include educating children that live in less than favorable conditions. If you are a good parent you already know that a phone call or a letter was incorrect and you follow up and make sure that it is corrected. You dont just freak out and go lie to a reporter.
    I'm not completely against truancy laws. I am against schools doing stupid/lazy things, then acting like parents are overreacting to it. No one is saying that this school should even get sued or anything like that. But a little competence and actual sense in how their programs work so as not actually be harassing parents, especially if they have already taken care of the issue, is not asking too much. This just called a school out for not doing this.
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    Re: 13 Year Old Piano Prodigy Treated As Truant By Public School System

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I'm not completely against truancy laws. I am against schools doing stupid/lazy things, then acting like parents are overreacting to it. No one is saying that this school should even get sued or anything like that. But a little competence and actual sense in how their programs work so as not actually be harassing parents, especially if they have already taken care of the issue, is not asking too much. This just called a school out for not doing this.
    It sounds like the school had it under control a letter went out they informed the parents to ignore it. The parents reacted by pulling their child out of school over getting one letter. It sounds like they over reacted, what else could explain their actions?

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