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    Re: More than 100 teens swarm Memphis plaza, 'knocking out' shoppers

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Anyone... ANYONE... that has the mental capacity and physical capacity (not disabled by mental illness or physical deformity - although a lot of them find success as well) that wants to rise up out of poverty can do just that. There are examples every day from every race and every socioeconomic group (notice I said group, not class). So your premise, is just class warfare at its base. Blame someone else for the personal problems of others, hating the rich or for that matter an entire race because they have some perceived advantage is not the answer to anyone's problems, and DAMN sure not an excuse to act like these kids did.
    Aren't you the one who just said " I have no idea what income level they come from" and now you're claiming that these kids did this because of poverty?
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    Re: More than 100 teens swarm Memphis plaza, 'knocking out' shoppers

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    What does ones economic class have to do with rioting and assaulting people?
    Nothing but Beaudreaux claimed that there was a "culture" that was accepting of this kind of behavior so I asked him to be more specific about this culture. That's when he went off with his inane claim that there are no classes. "We're all equal"
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    Re: More than 100 teens swarm Memphis plaza, 'knocking out' shoppers

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    What does ones economic class have to do with rioting and assaulting people?
    Crime has many social and economic variables to it.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: More than 100 teens swarm Memphis plaza, 'knocking out' shoppers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    "What Pew found was that in the bottom and top quintiles, mobility is "sticky." That is, if you were born into a family in the bottom 20 percent of the population, your chances of moving a rung or two higher was much less than if you were born into the next three quintiles. And if you were born into the top 20 percent, your chances of dropping by a rung or more was much less than if you were born into next lower quintiles."


    As I said, several studies have reached similar conclusions about the amount of upward mobility in the USA.
    You're assuming that economic status alone is the determining factor in mobility. That's simply not the case. To get the whole picture you need to factor in WHY someone stays at a particular economic level. That reason, especially at the lower levels, can easily be choice. People getting financial assistance based on income are often less likely to try and improve their reportable income. This is especially true if, in addition to the supplement, they are also receiving "off the books" income.

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    Re: More than 100 teens swarm Memphis plaza, 'knocking out' shoppers

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    Pshaw...

    Almost no working individual reaches the top income quintile at age 26...

    Do better.

    Any type of socio-economic excuse for such actions is woefully misplaced.

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    The chart shows that 30% of those born to parents in the top quintile reach the top quintile themselves before they are 26 so your statement is clearly wrong.
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    Re: More than 100 teens swarm Memphis plaza, 'knocking out' shoppers

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Crime has many social and economic variables to it.

    No. Crime is a simple choice one makes. There are just as many wealthy criminals as there are poor ones. The difference tends to be the type of crime that is committed.

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    Re: More than 100 teens swarm Memphis plaza, 'knocking out' shoppers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Nothing but Beaudreaux claimed that there was a "culture" that was accepting of this kind of behavior so I asked him to be more specific about this culture. That's when he went off with his inane claim that there are no classes. "We're all equal"
    I don't think that there's any question but that petty crime and physical assaults are more accepted in certain subcultures. You can see the evidence of it in the video that prompted this thread. The woman filming was laughing and joking until the assault happened. That's a pretty clear indication that she was willing to accept a certain level of inappropriate (if not outright unlawful) behavior.

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    Re: More than 100 teens swarm Memphis plaza, 'knocking out' shoppers

    I grew up in poverty, not just poor. I am talking in poverty. I have worked ever since I was 15, busted my ass to get where I am today, and my wife and I would be demographically upper middle class. That all said, I am a pretty smart guy and that helps a lot when climbing the income demographic ladder. I doubt I would have made it very far in IT had I not had a natural aptitude for it. Moreover, while I came from poverty, I also realize that its not easy to do so. Its much harder to go from poverty to the middle class than it is to grow up middle class and enter into it as an adult yourself. As the saying goes, a lot of guys are born on 3rd base and think they hit a triple.

    That all said, the people of Memphis and other failing cities cannot simply blame their problems with violence, poor schools, and joblessness on racism or the legacy of Jim Crow. There are economic problems in these places and poor schools there because they are violent places. They are violent places for a lot of reasons, but one of the biggest ones is terrible parenting. Not just any kids will go to a grocery store parking lot and start attacking people, it takes a lifetime of ****ty parenting to get to that point. Moreover, this crap that community "leaders" always spew after something like this happens about "these kids don't have anything to do, we have to invest in community centers and so on to keep this from happening...." If kids not having anything to do resulted in violent teens, then western Kansas and the rest of the Great Plains would be the most violent place on the planet. I assure you there is a lot more for kids to do in Memphis than there is in South Dakota or Goodland, KS. The fact is as long as you have this kind of violence and widespread crime in Memphis, then the town will continue to go down hill.
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    Re: More than 100 teens swarm Memphis plaza, 'knocking out' shoppers

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I don't think that there's any question but that petty crime and physical assaults are more accepted in certain subcultures. You can see the evidence of it in the video that prompted this thread. The woman filming was laughing and joking until the assault happened. That's a pretty clear indication that she was willing to accept a certain level of inappropriate (if not outright unlawful) behavior.
    I agree, but it seems as if Beaudreux doesn't want to identify which culture he's talking about. Instead, he wants to spread blame to anyone and everyone who disagrees with his pov. He's gone so far as to blame Affirmative Action, as if these kids were somehow beneficiaries of AA (I really doubt they were college kids or employed)

    He's also blamed anyone who has "allowed" this to happen. I'm not even sure what that means. Do people "allow" rapes? Murders?
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: More than 100 teens swarm Memphis plaza, 'knocking out' shoppers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Many studies have reached similar conclusions as this one:
    "....In 1971 a child from the poorest fifth had an 8.4% chance of making it to the top quintile. For a child born in 1986 the odds were 9%. The study confirms previous findings that America’s social mobility is low compared with many European countries. (In Denmark, a poor child has twice as much chance of making it to the top quintile as in America.)...

    ...the probability of a child born into the poorest fifth of the population in San Jose, California making it to the top is 12.9%, not much lower than in Denmark. In Charlotte, North Carolina it is 4.4%, far lower than anywhere else in the rich world.

    This geographic prism also offers some pointers on what influences mobility. The economists found five factors that were correlated with differences in social mobility in different parts of America: residential segregation (whether by income or race); the quality of schooling; family structure (eg, how many children live with only one parent); “social capital” (such as taking part in community groups); and inequality (particularly income gaps among those outside the top 1%). Social mobility is higher in integrated places with good schools, strong families, lots of community spirit and smaller income gaps within the broad middle class. "


    Class in America: Mobility, measured | The Economist

    Try to prove otherwise with evidence better than a few anecdotes.
    This disproves what I said... How???

    People that makes statements like yours, are the primary reason that those kids never get out of poverty.

    If a kid is continually told that he/she has no chance, that the system is rigged against them, that other races are keeping them down, then that kid begins to believe that there is no hope, and without hope, they give up, and when they give up... they fulfilled the prophecy that you have set for them.

    Again, I don't buy into that. The cycle can be broken. It has been broken by many of all races and ethnicities. Preaching what you are condoning is a major part of why more do not. Stop the cycle - don't perpetuate it.
    Everything in your life is a reflection of a choice you have made. If you want a different result, don't blame someone else, or expect others to make a change, you should stop complaining and make a different choice. Remember, the circumstances of your birth don't determine the outcome of your life.

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