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More than 100 teens swarm Memphis plaza, 'knocking out' shoppers

Lutherf said:
Interesting thought process....

I have an accounting practice. It's a small office which gives me a good bit of flexibility with employees. If I hire someone for $12/hr to answer phones and make sure mail gets out that doesn't mean that they can't learn how to handle other tasks. I have taught some of them how to do basic bookkeeping and with that single skill they can take on a role that pays a percentage of the monthly billing for any client they work on. The more they can do the more money they can make. I also don't dissuade them from bringing in more business. If they bring in an account they'll make an even bigger percentage. Hell, I don't even require them to have a college degree....or even a GED. If they can do the work they can make the money.

Would you like to guess how many of these poor, "undervalued" 20-30 year olds have taken me up on those options? Would you like to guess how many stuck with it for more than a year even if they did take me up on the offer?
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Is the answer zero? and zero?
 
Arcana XV said:
Look, I don't know who the **** you are or what I ever did to make you feel you can talk to me like this, or if you have me confused with someone else, but you can take your attitude and go **** yourself.
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The one you're conversing with seems to be of the opinion that if something in life isn't handed to you then you have been "disenfranchised". It's an amazingly immature attitude but is also indicative of an attitude that seems to be expanding in American culture. As you have noticed, it can be rather frustrating trying to have a rational discussion with someone who has chosen to forsake logic in favor of victimization.
 
Lutherf said:
The one you're conversing with seems to be of the opinion that if something in life isn't handed to you then you have been "disenfranchised". It's an amazingly immature attitude but is also indicative of an attitude that seems to be expanding in American culture. As you have noticed, it can be rather frustrating trying to have a rational discussion with someone who has chosen to forsake logic in favor of victimization.
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You're a better person than I am to even try and talk to this individual. I really don't have the patience for this kind of BS.
 
Gardener said:
If behavior is savage and animalistic and a poster calls it savage and animalistic only to have you attack them by calling that person racist for doing so, all you are displaying is that it is you who cannot separate race from actions and that their race gives the special protection.
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You're just wrong here dude. I've criticized the perpetrators and crime directly, without mentioning race. What I take issue is the opportunists who flocked the thread in order to get some of their prejudices off their chest in a comfy environment. Those who immediately made the connection to Obama and Holder, despite them having nothing to do with the situation and on the record as condemning any behavior of the sort, in addition to tossing about commonly used racist slang, aren't exactly making their intentions vague. These attitudes aren't acceptable and shouldn't be coddled, no matter the circumstances being discussed.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
How are the young people doing that did finish high school? How are the young people doing that did bother to learn a skill by watching how others did it? How are the young people doing that did attend trade school? How are the young people doing that did learn how to write a resume*? How are the young people doing that did dress/act correctly during an interview? How are the young people doing that did correct their bad attitude toward life in general? That's a very nice observation of how the world worked in 2007. This is 2014. Things are way different.

*All young people know how to write resumes even better than their older counterparts.
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What is the difference that you see in 2014 versus 2007? I'm curious,,,
 
Arcana XV said:
None of the kids I know would ever behave in this manner. I think they're a product of their subculture. And I don't mean just one specific race. Uneducated white trailer trash in a different part of the country would act in much similar ways.
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Please provide an example of "whit trailer trash" acting in a similar way. I've never heard of a bunch of white kids randomly jumping innocent people at a grocery store.

This is a problem in the black community and, if we turn a blind eye for the sake of political correctness, then we won't see clearly enough to be able to do something that would remedy the problem.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
In white trailer trash culture people commit crimes because they are lazy and completely good for nothing. The white trailer trash knows they are good for nothing and can only survive by committing crimes.

In black ghetto culture defiance of the law is honorable and something to be respected as an admirable life choice.

WAY DIFFERENT!!!:failpail:

Would you like a gold star for being the least racist person that has ever lived? or Do you want a corresponding prize for being the most dishonest with your observation of the world? You get both prizes.
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There is absolutely NOTHING racist about observing the fact that there exists a black subculture in America. They have their own dialect, their own music, their own systems of ethics, family values, etc.

There is also NOTHING wrong or racist about pointing out certain areas that the black subculture needs to get fixed. Nothing wrong with that at all.

A video like this should be a call to action for black leaders in the black community to say, hey wait a minute, this knockout game, this glorification of violence, it's something we need to actively work to fix in our communities.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Beaudreaux. :2wave:

What makes it sad is that it is often an excuse used to cover the real reasons - didn't bother to finish high school; didn't bother to learn a skill by watching how others did it, if they couldn't attend a trade school; didn't bother learning how to write a resume, or the correct way to dress and/or act during an interview; didn't bother to work on correcting a bad attitude toward life in general; and more. Those who do succeed, and there are many, do so by showing personal initiative, not by using excuses.
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Yes ma'am, that is correct. It comes down to learning how to be a productive member of society. Some aren't lucky enough to have examples at home, but that is no excuse to not seek out role models, and not get caught up in the culture of violence and irresponsibility which stems from a lack of being taught, or demanded to understand, the concept of self reliance.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Folks, we're going to let this one simmer down a bit.... before I have to infract half the posters on this thread...
 
Moderator's Warning:
I'm re-opening the thread, but be warned there will be zero tolerance for race baiting and personal insults.
 
Oh come on people....A bunch of young black punks get together and think it would be a hoot to attack, and injure innocent people that did nothing to them, and all of the sudden we need 32 pages of studies to determine that this is pure deplorable behavior? This is what is wrong today.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
That's funny because things were so much better when I was 20. I was valued with a good paying job. These kids are valued with a 20 hour a week job at $8 an hour and then get told they are lazy pieces of crap because they live at home with their parents.

You live in a dream world. Life really sucks for a 20 year old living in 2014. Go back to your fantasy. There is no room for you in reality.
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they are valued for what value they can contribute to their employer.....what part of that doesn't make sense or seems unfair to you? I actually find it actually incredible that kids like the ones in the video can be offered job in the first place.
 
Gardener said:
If large gangs of skinhead whites were to go on a rampage against blacks, there would be a zillion threads on it right now instead of one, and the discussion would be sure to stretch into many weeks.
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And it's highly likely that nobody would even notice if I called them feral, which I would, and in fact, would probably call them even worse since they are white. In fact, I'd probably have quite a few self-professed liberals here who would think it was an appropriate description of them, and would not be offended in the least.
 
j-mac said:
Oh come on people....A bunch of young black punks get together and think it would be a hoot to attack, and injure innocent people that did nothing to them, and all of the sudden we need 32 pages of studies to determine that this is pure deplorable behavior? This is what is wrong today.
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The problem is that so many people don't think that expecting the same decent behavioral standards from different racial groups, is right or fair. This is the problem. Until we start holding people to the same high standards, and applying equal expectations and treatment, things will continue down the same destructive course they are currently on.
 
rcart76 said:
I'm curious if there would this much outrage if the white victim wasn't in the equation?
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Yes, there would. I don't have much tolerance or understanding for people who don't act like civilized humans, no matter their color. If they were roving the streets grunting, and not hurting anyone, I'd still be appalled that they have such low standards for themselves. Anyone raised in this culture who hasn't learned how to act in a decent manner either had lousy neglectful parents, or they are defiant asses. Acting in a decent manner really isn't that difficult to do.
 
j-mac said:
Oh come on people....A bunch of young black punks get together and think it would be a hoot to attack, and injure innocent people that did nothing to them, and all of the sudden we need 32 pages of studies to determine that this is pure deplorable behavior? This is what is wrong today.
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No, we don't. There hasn't been any support for the attackers :shrug:

lizzie said:
The problem is that so many people don't think that expecting the same decent behavioral standards from different racial groups, is right or fair. This is the problem. Until we start holding people to the same high standards, and applying equal expectations and treatment, things will continue down the same destructive course they are currently on.
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I can't think of anyone who's actually suggested that we hold different races to different standards. Just another platitude.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
In white trailer trash culture people commit crimes because they are lazy and completely good for nothing. The white trailer trash knows they are good for nothing and can only survive by committing crimes.

In black ghetto culture defiance of the law is honorable and something to be respected as an admirable life choice.

WAY DIFFERENT!!!:failpail:

Would you like a gold star for being the least racist person that has ever lived? or Do you want a corresponding prize for being the most dishonest with your observation of the world? You get both prizes.
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vasuderatorrent said:
Nope. White trailer trash doesn't do stuff like this. EVER!!!!! Give me an example.

I know that you feel better about yourself when you lie but try to tell the truth sometimes. Telling the truth sucks really bad.

Black criminals are way more organized than white criminals.
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I guess you've missed the last century of American history, because it is rife with highly visible murderers and extortionists who were both white and acting as a part of organized crime. It is also rife with everyday whites acting as mobs to keep troublesome niggers in line, both within the law of the day and extra-judicially. Should I keep going? Biker gangs, drug manufacturing and distribution, arms dealers, and the beat goes on...

It really is a shame that the best you can do when confronted by one of the smartest people on this forum is to resort to the base, purile tactics of provocation, gross mischaracterization and outright lying. This kind of behavior is THE cancer that has been eating at Debate Politics for some time now.

You are not nearly as smart and cutting edge as you seem to think you are. You are not even PART of the problem. You ARE the problem.
 
Lutherf said:
Interesting thought process....

I have an accounting practice. It's a small office which gives me a good bit of flexibility with employees. If I hire someone for $12/hr to answer phones and make sure mail gets out that doesn't mean that they can't learn how to handle other tasks. I have taught some of them how to do basic bookkeeping and with that single skill they can take on a role that pays a percentage of the monthly billing for any client they work on. The more they can do the more money they can make. I also don't dissuade them from bringing in more business. If they bring in an account they'll make an even bigger percentage. Hell, I don't even require them to have a college degree....or even a GED. If they can do the work they can make the money.

Would you like to guess how many of these poor, "undervalued" 20-30 year olds have taken me up on those options? Would you like to guess how many stuck with it for more than a year even if they did take me up on the offer?
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The problem might be you

I've hired dozens of 20-30 year olds and only occassionally had those problems. Sure, every now and then you get someone who doesn't cut it, but the overwhelming majority were good workers.

However, most of the young people I've hired were immigrants, so maybe it's an american thing
 
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