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    Re: Islamic State using leaked Snowden info to evade U.S. intelligence

    Proof or propaganda.

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    Re: Islamic State using leaked Snowden info to evade U.S. intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I know there are some people who honestly believe Edward Snowden to be a defender of free speech and liberty, but I've long held the view that although it was important for the American public to know that their government was loosely spying on them, the methodologies used didn't need to be fully disclosed. In short, tell the enemy how we're tracking them and they'll soon change tactics. Such is the case with ISIS/ISIL. …
    If so, then the fault lies squarely and entirely on those corrupt public servants who abused this power against the American people, leading to the need to expose this abuse; and not on anyone involved in exposing this abuse. By abusing the power that they were given, to the detriment of the people that they were supposed to be serving and protecting, these corrupt agencies are wholly to blame for undermining their ability to use this power legitimately against our enemies. The greatest scandal of all associated with this is that as far as I know, none of the corrupt public servants responsible for this abuse are yet serving long prison sentences. In an indirect manner, their abuse of this power, and the subsequent undermining of their ability to use it properly against our enemies, amounts to outright treason.
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    Re: Islamic State using leaked Snowden info to evade U.S. intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Wow. Never thought I'd see that quote in a Snowden thread. What a breath of fresh air. But on a serious note, what essential liberty did Americans sacrifice in order to keep our foreign intelligence methodology under wraps?
    Those that would support government intrusion and spying on Americans to keep us safe, as they claim, from potential terror activities.
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    Re: Islamic State using leaked Snowden info to evade U.S. intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Those that would support government intrusion and spying on Americans to keep us safe, as they claim, from potential terror activities.
    Did anyone ever manage to explain how spying on Americans could kept us safe from terrorists? There are 300+ million of us, but it didn't keep people safe during the Boston Marathon bombing and killing last year, and that was just a very small percentage of American people. What excuse will they come up with if we are attacked on a large scale, as some are predicting? It's all our fault for living here? :

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    Re: Islamic State using leaked Snowden info to evade U.S. intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Those that would support government intrusion and spying on Americans to keep us safe, as they claim, from potential terror activities.
    You failed to answer the question. What liberties did Americans sacrifice in order to keep foreign methodologies secret? Snowden was smart enough to release the ins and outs of how we collect data on the Taliban, Iran and Hezbollah, among others. American citizens had to sacrifice exactly nothing in order to keep those under wraps.

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    Re: Islamic State using leaked Snowden info to evade U.S. intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    You failed to answer the question. What liberties did Americans sacrifice in order to keep foreign methodologies secret? Snowden was smart enough to release the ins and outs of how we collect data on the Taliban, Iran and Hezbollah, among others. American citizens had to sacrifice exactly nothing in order to keep those under wraps.
    I didn't fail to do anything. I commented about the government having no business in my cell phone or computer.

    I'll bet you're a vociferous opponent of government intrusion in your bedroom though.
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    Re: Islamic State using leaked Snowden info to evade U.S. intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I didn't fail to do anything. I commented about the government having no business in my cell phone or computer.
    Which is irrelevant to the stated effects on foreign intelligence gathering as a result of Snowden's heroics. It's the thread's topic you know.

    I'll bet you're a vociferous opponent of government intrusion in your bedroom though.
    Depends on the topic. National security != Laws pertaining to sexual content. Different things are different.

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    Re: Islamic State using leaked Snowden info to evade U.S. intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    When all you've got is ad-hom It's not like he's the only one claiming so. The current head of the Counterterrorism Center supports this claim, as does the former head of the NSA. It's not like this is an intellectual leap either. If Snowden wanted to play folk hero among the American people, he could have dumped only the relevant and domestic portions of their intelligence gathering practices. Instead, he chose just about everything he could get his hands on, including how we gather data against foreign and legitimate threats to our interests. Those who support Snowden wholly will eventually have to grapple with the consequences instead of just burying their head in the sand.
    Everything you said was spot-on right up until the bolded. And the answer, sadly, is no, they don't. Denial aint' just a river in Egypt.

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    Re: Islamic State using leaked Snowden info to evade U.S. intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Did anyone ever manage to explain how spying on Americans could kept us safe from terrorists?
    The metadata program kept track of the point-to-point records; what numbers had called whom. This is useful for scenarios such as the following.

    555-5555 suddenly starts calling a number tied to Abu McJihad in Pakistan. Abu McJihad is a member of the AQ cell for foreign operations, so this is serious. We quickly break out 555-5555's network. 555-5555 only regularly calls Abu McJihad, 666-6666, 777-7777, 888-8888, and 999-9999; so now you have your cell figured out. Unfortunately, the owner of 555-5555 only periodically turns on his phone, and we don't know who it is. The 8's, the 6's, and the 9's all only call each other and Mr 5, but good ole 777-7777 has apparently less personal devotion to OPSEC, and he calls a series of other numbers in a given geographic area. Notably, of the 5 other numbers Mr 7 calls, 1 of them is a pizza joint, 1 of them is a travel agency, and the other three are all members of a single family - the McKillTheInfedels, who live in Dearborne Michegan. Now we have a geographic area, and the family of at least one of the conspirators; likely by talking to them we can figure out who Mr 7 is, and by picking up and flipping Mr 7 we might be able to figure out Mr's 5-9. Additionally, Mr 8's phone pops up - he's active. He's currently co-located with 123-4567. In fact, once we pull up Mr 8's records, every time he makes a call, he is co-located with 123-4567. Fantastic, so both of these phones are probably owned by the same guy, and he uses one as his Operations phone, and the other as his Personal. Quickly we can break out 123-4567's network and find out A) where Mr 8 probably is and B) where he may run to try to hide if we start pursuing him. Now we have two solid leads on a cell in a scenario where time is critical.


    but unless we have the historical data.... we are just hoping that 555-5555 makes enough calls from the point at which he calls Mr McJihad for us to eventually put together the pieces, bit by bit, and hoping we do so in time.

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    Re: Islamic State using leaked Snowden info to evade U.S. intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    When all you've got is ad-hom It's not like he's the only one claiming so. The current head of the Counterterrorism Center supports this claim, as does the former head of the NSA. It's not like this is an intellectual leap either. If Snowden wanted to play folk hero among the American people, he could have dumped only the relevant and domestic portions of their intelligence gathering practices. Instead, he chose just about everything he could get his hands on, including how we gather data against foreign and legitimate threats to our interests. Those who support Snowden wholly will eventually have to grapple with the consequences instead of just burying their head in the sand.
    I'm not seeing any evidence in your posts, just blind faith in bureaucrats caught lying. Keith Alexander's deception is not a personal attack, its a matter of public record. He already has been caught creating fake justification for his spying with the false 54 plots he tried to claim were stopped by the violation of American privacy.

    If you want to make your case, find some actual evidence beyond the word of disgraced individuals with track record of bull****.

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