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White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

apdst said:
Either way the election goes, it will result in hilarity.
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Greetings, apdst. :2wave:

In truth, none of us, except those that consider themselves the elite class in DC -on both sides of the aisle - are being well served these days! They have all been steadily encroaching on our freedoms, and they doubtless intend to continue doing so, while enriching themselves. I guess it was ever thus in politics, going as far back as history is recorded, but all those civilizations fell, and all that is left are stone monuments that tourists visit now. Will we beat the odds? I can't think so, human nature being what it is.
 
Please post a link for this bill instead of complaining about Reid's circular file.
There has been no bill passed by the House on comprehensive immigration reform since McMorris-Rodgers promised one in 2013.

We're talking about Sen. Rubio's bipartisan bill passed well over a year ago.
Thereafter, the House refused to go to conference 18 times on major legislation last year.

Cantor's approach was to pass one step at a time immigration reform this year--yet we got ZERO steps.
Then Cantor was defeated by trying to be even close to normal on immigration by lying TEA-partiers .
azgreg said:
Are you referring to the immigration bill passed by the House that is sitting in Reid's drawer or the immigration bill passed by the Senate sitting in Boehner's drawer?
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cpwill said:
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.until after the election.
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Expect the last two years of this guys' tenure to be the bitterest :( No Clinton capable of reaching across the aisle, he.








Wait. And they think that won't happen after the elections?[/FONT][/COLOR]
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No matter what any politician does or doesn't do some people will always be unhappy.
 
Lachean said:
Aww, whats the matter Barry? Your allies running from you faster than Nixon's?
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After six years of GOPs moving goalposts and saying no to what they used to say yes to, he's finally learned.

The President will not allow your GOPs to play Hispanic American voters off on more conservative non-Hispanic voters.

Oh, and he does have a strategy here also--you just don't get to know BEFORE it happens--just like when ISIL gets bombed .
 
Yet the Senate bill was authored by GOP Sen. Rubio and passed a filibuster-proof minority--therefore bipartisan.

Why did the House refuse to go to joint-conference?

This was one of 18 times the House refused to do this last year.

Then your dysfunctional and impotent House couldn't even pass the first step of immigration reform this year.
Once Cantor lost his job trying, the House just went on a 6-week vacation, what they do best.
APACHERAT said:
The House immigration bill sitting in Reid's drawer is a securing the borders bill while the Senate's bill sitting in Boehner's drawer
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is a blanket amnesty for all illegal aliens including convicted felons with only talk of securing the border years after the amnesty.
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This is just another blatant irrational lie you cannot prove.
I didn't want to believe this about you .
 
NIMBY said:
After six years of GOPs moving goalposts and saying no to what they used to say yes to, he's finally learned.

The President will not allow your GOPs to play Hispanic American voters off on more conservative non-Hispanic voters.

Oh, and he does have a strategy here also--you just don't get to know BEFORE it happens--just like when ISIL gets bombed .
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You're talking to a hispanic. Do not think us such pawns.
 
Speak back to what I said in the post, which you can't.
Don't try to play a real life pawn game with me you can't prove on the internet.
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Lachean said:
You're talking to a hispanic. Do not think us such pawns.
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Why do GOPs play Hispanic American voters off on conservative non-Hispanic voters.

Why are a number of Hispanic groups outraged at the deporter-in-chief for doing the job GOPs say he isn't doing, as the liars they are?

Why are a number of Hispanic Americans upset the President hasn't acted to keep families together before the election, especially in Colorado ?
 
NIMBY said:
Please post a link for this bill instead of complaining about Reid's circular file.
There has been no bill passed by the House on comprehensive immigration reform since McMorris-Rodgers promised one in 2013.

We're talking about Sen. Rubio's bipartisan bill passed well over a year ago.
Thereafter, the House refused to go to conference 18 times on major legislation last year.

Cantor's approach was to pass one step at a time immigration reform this year--yet we got ZERO steps.
Then Cantor was defeated by trying to be even close to normal on immigration by lying TEA-partiers .
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Do your own damn homework. I never said anything about comprehensive either. Learn to read.
 
All three of your sentences had nothing to do with my post and failed to address the OP.

I accept that as complete surrender by you that there is no immigration bill from the House.

And all anyone has spoken of is "comprehensive", so please get in the game when you try to post this crap.

Your last sentence will certainly help you the next time you post on immigration reform .

azgreg said:
Do your own damn homework. I never said anything about comprehensive either. Learn to read.
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NIMBY said:
All three of your sentences had nothing to do with my post and failed to address the OP.

I accept that as complete surrender by you that there is no immigration bill from the House.

And all anyone has spoken of is "comprehensive", so please get in the game when you try to post this crap.

Your last sentence will certainly help you the next time you post on immigration reform .
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/01/politics/congress-immigration/

I think you need to reread the OP. Maybe you can get some help with the big words.
 
What don't you understand about the House not going to Joint committee over immigration reform azgreg?
And spare me and all of us at DP your quips about reading, rereading and getting help with big words.

How did you like Boehner's crying about the President not stepping into the quick sand GOPs put in front of him?
Do you agree with GOPs pitting Hispanic-american voters against moderate/conservative non-Hispanic voters ?
azgreg said:
House GOP passes border bill -- likely to no effect - CNN.com

I think you need to reread the OP. Maybe you can get some help with the big words.
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NIMBY said:
What don't you understand about the House not going to Joint committee over immigration reform azgreg?
And spare me and all of us at DP your quips about reading, rereading and getting help with big words.

How did you like Boehner's crying about the President not stepping into the quick sand GOPs put in front of him?
Do you agree with GOPs pitting Hispanic-american voters against moderate/conservative non-Hispanic voters ?
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You've been drinking. No where in this thread have I defended either side. I'm not in favor of either bill. I don't like the idea of leadership being able to shelve a bill just because they don't like the letter (D or R) next to it.
 
The right would scream against Obama and immigration if he tried to do it now anyways. No matter what he does the right would scream "executive overreach" now. Its a loose loose no matter what.
 
Which is exactly where the rightists "THOUGHT" they had the President pinned.
But bad things happen to people who have negative intentions.
TheDemSocialist said:
The right would scream against Obama and immigration if he tried to do it now anyways.
No matter what he does the right would scream "executive overreach" now. Its a loose loose no matter what.
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The GOPs, Gov. Branstad from Iowa in particular, are on tape saying that this strategy of pitting Hispanic-Americans against moderate/conservative non-Hispanics would deliver the Senate to the GOP .
 
TheDemSocialist said:
The right would scream against Obama and immigration if he tried to do it now anyways. No matter what he does the right would scream "executive overreach" now. Its a loose loose no matter what.
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The absolute fact is that the American people do not want a blanket amnesty and it is NOT the GOP that would scream against Obama if he TRIED...it is the American people and THEY would take it out on the democrats. He is putting whatever action he plans on taking off til after the election because if he tries to BEFORE the election the DEMOCRATS know they will get their ass handed to them.

Why is it that everyone is insisting there need to be some massive 'reform'? We already allow 1 million LEGAL immigrants annually. There is a path to citizenship and there is a reason why the immigration laws exist. We simply cannot bring in every single person that wants to come here. The country cant afford it nor sustain it.

As to what he can or cant do...Immigration law is codified law (The Immigration and Nationality Act). Obama cannot alter or change law. He simply doesnt have the authority to do so. People claim Reagan granted amnesty. He did no such thing. Reagan signed into law the Simpson Mazzoli act...he signed law passed by the House and Senate. Executive privilege extends to the execution of existing laws by branches of the government. He may order INS to cease deporting any and everyone but he cannot alter the law to grant citizenship. He knows that. If he attempts to, it will create a pretty brutal and ugly scene. He will knowingly lie to a whole lot of people and intentionally place them all as the legal rope.

You and others are welcome to continue to insist this is all a GOP vs Obama thing...but you are wrong. There are large numbers of democrats opposed to amnesty. One of the most vocal groups today is the black voting bloc. They see their own community dying with unemployment rates almost double that of the rest of the country and rampant poverty, crime, addiction, teen pregnancy, education problems, literacy concerns, etc. They know what this would do to them. I dont think it would cause people to vote for republicans...but it would cause a lot of people to just not vote.
 
haymarket said:
Please do. Of course my prediction centers around one key and all important variable: that Obama will grow a pair and turn into the battling, scrapping, fighting defender of the people..... something that he has been rather reluctant to do during the first 5.7 years of his presidency.
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Six years in, and after caving AGAIN, this time with immigration-you think Obama is going to grow a pair?
 
VanceMack said:
The absolute fact is that the American people do not want a blanket amnesty and it is NOT the GOP that would scream against Obama if he TRIED...it is the American people and THEY would take it out on the democrats. He is putting whatever action he plans on taking off til after the election because if he tries to BEFORE the election the DEMOCRATS know they will get their ass handed to them.

Why is it that everyone is insisting there need to be some massive 'reform'? We already allow 1 million LEGAL immigrants annually. There is a path to citizenship and there is a reason why the immigration laws exist. We simply cannot bring in every single person that wants to come here. The country cant afford it nor sustain it.

As to what he can or cant do...Immigration law is codified law (The Immigration and Nationality Act). Obama cannot alter or change law. He simply doesnt have the authority to do so. People claim Reagan granted amnesty. He did no such thing. Reagan signed into law the Simpson Mazzoli act...he signed law passed by the House and Senate. Executive privilege extends to the execution of existing laws by branches of the government. He may order INS to cease deporting any and everyone but he cannot alter the law to grant citizenship. He knows that. If he attempts to, it will create a pretty brutal and ugly scene. He will knowingly lie to a whole lot of people and intentionally place them all as the legal rope.

You and others are welcome to continue to insist this is all a GOP vs Obama thing...but you are wrong. There are large numbers of democrats opposed to amnesty. One of the most vocal groups today is the black voting bloc. They see their own community dying with unemployment rates almost double that of the rest of the country and rampant poverty, crime, addiction, teen pregnancy, education problems, literacy concerns, etc. They know what this would do to them. I dont think it would cause people to vote for republicans...but it would cause a lot of people to just not vote.
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Thats absolutely it-in fact Chuck Todd just grilled the President on how clearly he is playing politics with this entire fiasco. Look at the Presidents body language. Those bug eyes-he's going to get those more and more his last 2 years.

Exclusive: Obama Blames Border Crisis for Immigration Reform Delay - NBC News
 
The President finally grew a pair, as you would say, by not taking the bait from the GOP.
And yes, it took him six years to figure out he can't tell GOPs what he will do bombing IRIS Before he does it.
US Conservative said:
Six years in, and after caving AGAIN, this time with immigration-you think Obama is going to grow a pair?
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The deporter-in-chief--as he's called by so many Hispanic groups--they were disappointed the President didn't declare amnesty.
Not like Reagan did to court Hispanics for the 1986 Senate elections .
 
US Conservative said:
Thats absolutely it-in fact Chuck Todd just grilled the President on how clearly he is playing politics with this entire fiasco. Look at the Presidents body language. Those bug eyes-he's going to get those more and more his last 2 years.

Exclusive: Obama Blames Border Crisis for Immigration Reform Delay - NBC News
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I wont put it past him to make some sort of amnesty Executive Order. He will no doubt fully expect that it will be legally challenged and then he will go around talking about the eeeeeeevil republicans and how they hate minorities.

Enough of the posturing. In a very real sense, he IS correct when he says Congress isnt acting. So...time for Congress to act. Democrats should make this a major campaign issue and they should press legislation guaranteeing blanket amnesty and benefits. Watch how quickly their constituents slap the taste out of their mouths.


 
Senator Sessions, Alabama forced a vote before the Summer recess on support of Obama's amnesty by way of executive order. All Democratic senators are now on record in favor of it except one, Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV). This vote is being used to hammer about 6 Democrat senators up for re-election. The majority of the people are not in favor of Obama's type of amnesty or any other. They see it as a real threat to the working class. Democrats aren't the only ones pushing for it as the RNC establishment want an amnesty bill also. These establishment Republicans are in the pockets of the Chamber of Commerce who have poured millions into lobbying for amnesty. It really seems ass backwards to pass an amnesty bill when we are still waiting on the border fence to be built for the past 6 years that Congress allocated the money for in 2007 just prior to Obama's election. It sure would have helped with the crisis we have seen occurring on the Southern border with hundreds of thousands crossing into this country the last couple of years. Pity, now We the People not only are on the hook for the fence that was never built but now we are on the hook to feed, clothe, shelter, school, provide medical treatment for all these uninvited guests. It also seems ass backwards to pass an amnesty bill with a broken student/workers visa program where our government seems to be incapable of keeping track of those whose visas have expired. This year alone, our beloved government has lost track of 600,000 people on student visas alone which results in adding significantly to the number of illegals in this country. It also seems ass backwards to promote amnesty of any kind under the leadership of Democrats whose very policies promote illegal immigration. Makes no sense at all. And for a president to be so brazen as to push for it by EO is over the top.
 
ecofarm said:
You've invoked the fallacy of having an argument. That everyone else can see this is merely my perspective on reality. Nonetheless, please... would anyone like to support Haymarket's "do unto them as they have done unto us" position?

I'm waiting for Haymarket's support.
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What fallacy have I invoked? You cannot even name one nor connect it to me.

And now you play to the peanut gallery hoping for support in another blatant appeal to use Argumentum ad Populum.

And all this because you identify me as an enemy. Amazing!!!!
 
EnigmaO01 said:
So how do you feel about your fellow republican congress critters passing the buck? This is congress's job and they continue to pass the buck.
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Don't the democrats own the Senate? Didn't they own both the house and the senate AND the WH for two years at the beginning of this administration?
 
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