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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    All three of your sentences had nothing to do with my post and failed to address the OP.

    I accept that as complete surrender by you that there is no immigration bill from the House.

    And all anyone has spoken of is "comprehensive", so please get in the game when you try to post this crap.

    Your last sentence will certainly help you the next time you post on immigration reform .
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/01/politi...s-immigration/

    I think you need to reread the OP. Maybe you can get some help with the big words.
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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    What don't you understand about the House not going to Joint committee over immigration reform azgreg?
    And spare me and all of us at DP your quips about reading, rereading and getting help with big words.

    How did you like Boehner's crying about the President not stepping into the quick sand GOPs put in front of him?
    Do you agree with GOPs pitting Hispanic-american voters against moderate/conservative non-Hispanic voters ?
    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    House GOP passes border bill -- likely to no effect - CNN.com

    I think you need to reread the OP. Maybe you can get some help with the big words.
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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    What don't you understand about the House not going to Joint committee over immigration reform azgreg?
    And spare me and all of us at DP your quips about reading, rereading and getting help with big words.

    How did you like Boehner's crying about the President not stepping into the quick sand GOPs put in front of him?
    Do you agree with GOPs pitting Hispanic-american voters against moderate/conservative non-Hispanic voters ?
    You've been drinking. No where in this thread have I defended either side. I'm not in favor of either bill. I don't like the idea of leadership being able to shelve a bill just because they don't like the letter (D or R) next to it.
    I have CDO, it's like OCD but the letters are in alphabetical order like they should be.

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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    The right would scream against Obama and immigration if he tried to do it now anyways. No matter what he does the right would scream "executive overreach" now. Its a loose loose no matter what.


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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Which is exactly where the rightists "THOUGHT" they had the President pinned.
    But bad things happen to people who have negative intentions.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The right would scream against Obama and immigration if he tried to do it now anyways.
    No matter what he does the right would scream "executive overreach" now. Its a loose loose no matter what.
    The GOPs, Gov. Branstad from Iowa in particular, are on tape saying that this strategy of pitting Hispanic-Americans against moderate/conservative non-Hispanics would deliver the Senate to the GOP .
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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    '"Today the president and the Senate Democrats have made it very clear that undocumented immigrants and Latinos are simply viewed as political pawns," said Eddie Carmona, campaign manager for the PICO immigration reform group.'

    Obama delays acting on immigration until after November elections | Reuters

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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The right would scream against Obama and immigration if he tried to do it now anyways. No matter what he does the right would scream "executive overreach" now. Its a loose loose no matter what.
    The absolute fact is that the American people do not want a blanket amnesty and it is NOT the GOP that would scream against Obama if he TRIED...it is the American people and THEY would take it out on the democrats. He is putting whatever action he plans on taking off til after the election because if he tries to BEFORE the election the DEMOCRATS know they will get their ass handed to them.

    Why is it that everyone is insisting there need to be some massive 'reform'? We already allow 1 million LEGAL immigrants annually. There is a path to citizenship and there is a reason why the immigration laws exist. We simply cannot bring in every single person that wants to come here. The country cant afford it nor sustain it.

    As to what he can or cant do...Immigration law is codified law (The Immigration and Nationality Act). Obama cannot alter or change law. He simply doesnt have the authority to do so. People claim Reagan granted amnesty. He did no such thing. Reagan signed into law the Simpson Mazzoli act...he signed law passed by the House and Senate. Executive privilege extends to the execution of existing laws by branches of the government. He may order INS to cease deporting any and everyone but he cannot alter the law to grant citizenship. He knows that. If he attempts to, it will create a pretty brutal and ugly scene. He will knowingly lie to a whole lot of people and intentionally place them all as the legal rope.

    You and others are welcome to continue to insist this is all a GOP vs Obama thing...but you are wrong. There are large numbers of democrats opposed to amnesty. One of the most vocal groups today is the black voting bloc. They see their own community dying with unemployment rates almost double that of the rest of the country and rampant poverty, crime, addiction, teen pregnancy, education problems, literacy concerns, etc. They know what this would do to them. I dont think it would cause people to vote for republicans...but it would cause a lot of people to just not vote.

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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Please do. Of course my prediction centers around one key and all important variable: that Obama will grow a pair and turn into the battling, scrapping, fighting defender of the people..... something that he has been rather reluctant to do during the first 5.7 years of his presidency.
    Six years in, and after caving AGAIN, this time with immigration-you think Obama is going to grow a pair?

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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The absolute fact is that the American people do not want a blanket amnesty and it is NOT the GOP that would scream against Obama if he TRIED...it is the American people and THEY would take it out on the democrats. He is putting whatever action he plans on taking off til after the election because if he tries to BEFORE the election the DEMOCRATS know they will get their ass handed to them.

    Why is it that everyone is insisting there need to be some massive 'reform'? We already allow 1 million LEGAL immigrants annually. There is a path to citizenship and there is a reason why the immigration laws exist. We simply cannot bring in every single person that wants to come here. The country cant afford it nor sustain it.

    As to what he can or cant do...Immigration law is codified law (The Immigration and Nationality Act). Obama cannot alter or change law. He simply doesnt have the authority to do so. People claim Reagan granted amnesty. He did no such thing. Reagan signed into law the Simpson Mazzoli act...he signed law passed by the House and Senate. Executive privilege extends to the execution of existing laws by branches of the government. He may order INS to cease deporting any and everyone but he cannot alter the law to grant citizenship. He knows that. If he attempts to, it will create a pretty brutal and ugly scene. He will knowingly lie to a whole lot of people and intentionally place them all as the legal rope.

    You and others are welcome to continue to insist this is all a GOP vs Obama thing...but you are wrong. There are large numbers of democrats opposed to amnesty. One of the most vocal groups today is the black voting bloc. They see their own community dying with unemployment rates almost double that of the rest of the country and rampant poverty, crime, addiction, teen pregnancy, education problems, literacy concerns, etc. They know what this would do to them. I dont think it would cause people to vote for republicans...but it would cause a lot of people to just not vote.
    Thats absolutely it-in fact Chuck Todd just grilled the President on how clearly he is playing politics with this entire fiasco. Look at the Presidents body language. Those bug eyes-he's going to get those more and more his last 2 years.

    Exclusive: Obama Blames Border Crisis for Immigration Reform Delay - NBC News

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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    The President finally grew a pair, as you would say, by not taking the bait from the GOP.
    And yes, it took him six years to figure out he can't tell GOPs what he will do bombing IRIS Before he does it.
    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Six years in, and after caving AGAIN, this time with immigration-you think Obama is going to grow a pair?
    The deporter-in-chief--as he's called by so many Hispanic groups--they were disappointed the President didn't declare amnesty.
    Not like Reagan did to court Hispanics for the 1986 Senate elections .
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