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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why would I care about rebutting your list? All I asked you was IF you claim that Obama used unconstitutional powers why would you then threaten that people like me will scream for mercy when unconstitutional powers were to be used on them when the GOP takes over?

    That is what I want you to expound upon. Can you supply some specifics to what actions the GOP would take that would be unconstitutional powers that would have me screaming for mercy as you predicted? And why would they take these steps if they are unconstitutional?
    No possible way you could have digested what I posted to you in that short a time....This displays that you are just be the same old dishonest haymarket, and talking with you further is pointless. Good day.
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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    I never said that Congress should accept the current CIR...I said that the GOP base wants immigration action...what ever that is.

    From your response...you've proven you have let the Congress off the hook and moved on to another outrage.

    The immigration problem has been broken way before Obama. If you don't care if Congress fixes it...Then I don't. Remember it was the GOP base all up in arms over the 60K illegals that just came in. Rick Perry sent the Texas NG to the border as a stop-gap.

    The 2008 law still stands. Obama can't change the law, Congress has to.

    You don't want any kind of immigration reform...you want to blame Obama for not issuing an EO on immigration. You are not going to hold Congress to any action.
    You keep saying the immigration law is 'broken'. What exactly is 'broken'? There is a path to legal immigration. We bring in a MILLION immigrants legally annually. We have an economy that can't sustain US growth and jobs, let alone every other person that wants to come here. So again...what is 'broken' with the existing law?

    All that is 'broken' is the dismal failure across the board in enforcing EXISTING law.

    Now...should congress act? Yes...I already said as much. Should BOTH parties act? Again...yes...and I already said as much. Since the government has done such a dismal job of enforcing existing law there DOES need to be some sort of action regarding those that are already here. Beyond that...the immigration law is NOT broken. It's simply not being followed.

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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Oh but it will. Things have changed in the last decade and have changed making the GOP a far more radical, far more extremist group. They occupy the far right and I have little doubt that if they take both houses of Congress this fall - the more rabid faction will demand tons of raw red meat for them to chew on for two years and they will not be denied.
    Oh please...

    Can we **** can the White House talking points...

    The TEABAGGERS are the barbarians at the door i old, old old. The Democrats have been chasing this lame idea since Sarah Palin scared you out of you panties. You ridiculed her, went through three years of her emails to prove she 'gasp' sometimes used her personal email account for government business. You have vilified an elected Senator in racist terms - news flash Democrats, a man born in Canada of Hispanic American parents cannot ever be "Mexican".....and Ted Cruz is not about to eat you children.

    Words like "rabid" demanding more meat to chew on is the stuff of propaganda demonizing perfected by Hitler.

    Get the memo....Obama has blown it, you lose.
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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Oh please...

    Can we **** can the White House talking points...

    The TEABAGGERS are the barbarians at the door i old, old old. The Democrats have been chasing this lame idea since Sarah Palin scared you out of you panties. You ridiculed her, went through three years of her emails to prove she 'gasp' sometimes used her personal email account for government business. You have vilified an elected Senator in racist terms - news flash Democrats, a man born in Canada of Hispanic American parents cannot ever be "Mexican".....and Ted Cruz is not about to eat you children.

    Words like "rabid" demanding more meat to chew on is the stuff of propaganda demonizing perfected by Hitler.

    Get the memo....Obama has blown it, you lose.
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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You keep saying the immigration law is 'broken'. What exactly is 'broken'? There is a path to legal immigration. We bring in a MILLION immigrants legally annually. We have an economy that can't sustain US growth and jobs, let alone every other person that wants to come here. So again...what is 'broken' with the existing law?

    All that is 'broken' is the dismal failure across the board in enforcing EXISTING law.

    Now...should congress act? Yes...I already said as much. Should BOTH parties act? Again...yes...and I already said as much. Since the government has done such a dismal job of enforcing existing law there DOES need to be some sort of action regarding those that are already here. Beyond that...the immigration law is NOT broken. It's simply not being followed.


    You know, I have a friend whose daughter is a crackerjack researcher in medical robotics. She was offered a job at a California company. She was flown down three times for interviews, ultimately offered a huge salary, working conditions and benefits. She looked into applying for a work visa for a trade in much demand and found that it would be a three to eight month process involving a few grand in legal costs.

    When she was there the last time, she found so many illegals - oops, undocumenteds - they probably lost their ID - were open about it, she was so angered at line jumpers she kept her job here.

    Canadians don' much want to live in the US anymore, I could and have chosen not to. One of the reasons is they may be competing for a job with some slime who broke the law to get there, has free health coverage, and probably pays no taxes.

    I suspect this is not the only case where an in-demand position wasn't filled because of the unfair privilege given to law breakers
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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You keep saying the immigration law is 'broken'. What exactly is 'broken'? There is a path to legal immigration. We bring in a MILLION immigrants legally annually. We have an economy that can't sustain US growth and jobs, let alone every other person that wants to come here. So again...what is 'broken' with the existing law?

    All that is 'broken' is the dismal failure across the board in enforcing EXISTING law.

    Now...should congress act? Yes...I already said as much. Should BOTH parties act? Again...yes...and I already said as much. Since the government has done such a dismal job of enforcing existing law there DOES need to be some sort of action regarding those that are already here. Beyond that...the immigration law is NOT broken. It's simply not being followed.


    It is part of a rather insidious plan.....

    By constantly underscoring something is "broken" you establish in the minds of the public that, of course, it needs fixin'.

    By not applying that law, it makes that same law "irrelevant" since no one obeys it anyway in the best leftist tradition you have to scrap the whole thing, baby and bathwater, in one "revolutionary" act of heroism to prevent "catastrophic harm."

    It is happening in my city, with an extremist left city council at war with the internal combustion engine in favor of everyone riding a bike. They have made it so pervasive, their rabid followers insist on riding on the sidewalk to the point many people think its legal.

    Here, the Democrats have convinced the law is broken\, when in fact 30 years of frightened politicians have been ignoring a severe problem and now the only way the simple minded can see a solution is to aggravate the problem, open the borders for Mexicans only, while the really bright and educated workers come to Canada..

    I don't mind that part actually...
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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Reagan declared Amnesty One so Hispanic American voters would cross-over and vote for GOP Senate candidates .
    As a result of that amnesty we now have 12-20 million plus illegals in this country.
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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Smooth move by Reagan huh?
    You are right that Amnesty one has led to the current illegal problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    As a result of that amnesty we now have 12-20 million plus illegals in this country.
    But I wouldn't call their descendants illegal since their parents were legalized.
    And so many of them voted for GWB when they came of age out of appreciation, along with Jeb Bush marrying an Hispanic-American woman.

    Amnesty One will at least lead to Guest Worker One since mostly Southern states are dependent on Illegals to pick their crops.

    This is why I'm so cynical about Southern state politicians not wanting to educate the children of illegals
    when their economy depends on them--not to mention their health care so necessay to do that back-breaking work.
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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Reagan signed it, the congress at the time passed it with no intention of ever honoring their own legislation. Ah well, fool us once.

    The House was dem, the senate repub. And btw, it wasn't the Southern congress critters pushing for amnesty to be included - it was the Western ones. Blame California.

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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    'Obama's delay on immigration action brings storm of criticism from Hispanics, liberal supporters'

    Obama's delay on immigration action brings storm of criticism from Hispanics, liberal supporters | Fox News

    So, basically, Obama is a political coward who goes back on his promises whenever it suits him politically.

    Not that any of that surprises me...just ask the Gitmo detainees.

    'Hope and Change' my ass.

    'Same old Thing' is more like it.



    (BTW - I hate to quote Fox News...but they were the easiest to quote)
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