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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Not really, it isn't drawing a larger share of the fast growing population demographic, Hispanics (who are growing primarily from US births and at a rate that is going to increase). All it is doing is holding on to the old White vote....which is a declining share.
    Sorry GST, but that is pure nonsense...All one has to do is figure out how pandering to the supposed rising demographic of the Latino community through handouts of citizenship, and benefits in the past has worked for the Repub's....Short answer is that it hasn't. It is only a way of demo's to place a false narrative in the public domain, and use it as soundbite pap.

    This issue has to be solved piece by piece, not wholesale. Close the border first, then work on dealing with those here and now....Anything short of that will not work.
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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

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    Gosh. If only there was some kind of series of parliamentary tricks that a preceding Senate Majority Leader has set a precedent for.....
    which changes nothing that I stated.
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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No, Haymarket. You're not just a victim of irrational vengeance. You said something inexcusable, ethically. I called you on it. As I noted, I'm waiting for ANYONE to support your disgusting position of "do unto them as they do unto you". No one has supported it, no one will support it, because it's grotesque and anyone presenting such a position ought be ashamed of themselves.
    No - just the opposite - what I am proposing is RATIONAL VENGEANCE. Return the favor. The GOP started something with the election of Obama and now its time they learned that paybacks are a bitch. And the only way to properly teach them that is to bend them over the table until they bleed buckets.

    The only thing you "called" is attention to your own rather sad desire to curry favor with some here who see me as the enemy of their ersatz ideology.

    And you seem to confuse me with one who actually gives a damn about what anyone else here says in support or opposition to me. I have never been a crowd sycophant and am not going to start now.
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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The only thing you "called" is attention to your own rather sad desire to curry favor with some here who see me as the enemy of their ersatz ideology.
    Really. You think I've taken objection to your unethical behavior to please Turtle? I suppose everyone that objects to the disgusting hypocrisy and dishonesty of your position(s) is just a goon for him, right?



    Wow, he really has gotten into your head. Do you dream about him?

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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No - just the opposite - what I am proposing is RATIONAL VENGEANCE. Return the favor. The GOP started something with the election of Obama and now its time they learned that paybacks are a bitch. And the only way to properly teach them that is to bend them over the table until they bleed buckets.

    The only thing you "called" is attention to your own rather sad desire to curry favor with some here who see me as the enemy of their ersatz ideology.

    And you seem to confuse me with one who actually gives a damn about what anyone else here says in support or opposition to me. I have never been a crowd sycophant and am not going to start now.
    Yep, every bit as rational and easy going as Mike Malloy.
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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sorry GST, but that is pure nonsense..
    The Wall Street Journal reports on new data released earlier today by the Census Bureau. The bottom line is that the demographic divide between older white Americans and younger minorities grew wider last year, “highlighting a long-term shift that might alter the interplay between generations.”

    Among the data points (most of which come courtesy of the Journal story):

    In 2013, nearly 79 percent of people 65 and older were white, but for those younger than 15, the share of whites was just over half. In 2000, those proportions were nearly 84 percent and almost 61 percent, respectively.
    Non-Hispanic whites made up 62.6 percent of the country last year, down from 63 percent in 2012, continuing their long-term decline as the dominant American group. More whites died than were born last year, while the share of both Asian-Americans and Hispanics grew.
    Hispanic population growth was fueled by an increase in births, as the number immigrating continued to fall. Just over half of all babies born in the U.S. were white.
    Whites account for less than half the population in four states: California, New Mexico, Texas, and Hawaii, plus the District of Columbia. But among children under age 5, whites are now below 50 percent in 15 states—with Alaska joining 14 others in 2013.
    In some states, the generational gap was quite large. In Arizona, for example, 82 percent of people 65 and over were white, while just 41 percent of those under 15 were white, a 41-point gap.
    National Journal‘s Ron Brownstein has pointed out that from 1996 to 2012, the white share of the eligible voting population has dropped about 2 percentage points every four years, from 79.2 percent to 71.1 percent; over that same period, whites have declined as a share of actual voters from 83 percent to 74 percent (according to census figures) or even 72 percent (according to the exit polls). ” With minorities expected to make up a majority of America’s 18 and younger population in this decade, all signs point toward a continued decline in the white share of the eligible voter population—which suggests the GOP would have to marshal heroic turnout efforts to avoid further decline in the white vote-share,” according to Brownstein. “If the electorate’s composition follows the trend over the past two decades, minorities would likely constitute 30 percent of the vote in 2016.”
    In light of these facts and tends, Republicans and conservatives have two choices: They can bemoan what’s happening, since non-white voters are less reliably Republican and conservative, offering up a lament for a lost America. They can focus their energy at getting a larger and larger share of a shrinking demographic group. Or they can offer a conservative governing vision and governing agenda that’s principled, reform-minded, and forward-looking, and that appeals to groups that have not traditionally been supportive of them.

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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Really. You think I've taken objection to your unethical behavior to please Turtle? I suppose everyone that objects to the disgusting hypocrisy and dishonesty of your position(s) is just a goon for him, right?



    Wow, he really has gotten into your head. Do you dream about him?
    You mentioned Turtle. Not me. Funny how that works now isn't it that you seem to have an idea who perceive your own master is?
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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yep, every bit as rational and easy going as Mike Malloy.
    sorry - do not know who he is.

    I guess the prospect of the chickens coming home to roost is causing some on the right cause for concern.
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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The Wall Street Journal reports on new data released earlier today by the Census Bureau. The bottom line is that the demographic divide between older white Americans and younger minorities grew wider last year, “highlighting a long-term shift that might alter the interplay between generations.”

    Among the data points (most of which come courtesy of the Journal story):

    In 2013, nearly 79 percent of people 65 and older were white, but for those younger than 15, the share of whites was just over half. In 2000, those proportions were nearly 84 percent and almost 61 percent, respectively.
    Non-Hispanic whites made up 62.6 percent of the country last year, down from 63 percent in 2012, continuing their long-term decline as the dominant American group. More whites died than were born last year, while the share of both Asian-Americans and Hispanics grew.
    Hispanic population growth was fueled by an increase in births, as the number immigrating continued to fall. Just over half of all babies born in the U.S. were white.
    Whites account for less than half the population in four states: California, New Mexico, Texas, and Hawaii, plus the District of Columbia. But among children under age 5, whites are now below 50 percent in 15 states—with Alaska joining 14 others in 2013.
    In some states, the generational gap was quite large. In Arizona, for example, 82 percent of people 65 and over were white, while just 41 percent of those under 15 were white, a 41-point gap.
    National Journal‘s Ron Brownstein has pointed out that from 1996 to 2012, the white share of the eligible voting population has dropped about 2 percentage points every four years, from 79.2 percent to 71.1 percent; over that same period, whites have declined as a share of actual voters from 83 percent to 74 percent (according to census figures) or even 72 percent (according to the exit polls). ” With minorities expected to make up a majority of America’s 18 and younger population in this decade, all signs point toward a continued decline in the white share of the eligible voter population—which suggests the GOP would have to marshal heroic turnout efforts to avoid further decline in the white vote-share,” according to Brownstein. “If the electorate’s composition follows the trend over the past two decades, minorities would likely constitute 30 percent of the vote in 2016.”
    In light of these facts and tends, Republicans and conservatives have two choices: They can bemoan what’s happening, since non-white voters are less reliably Republican and conservative, offering up a lament for a lost America. They can focus their energy at getting a larger and larger share of a shrinking demographic group. Or they can offer a conservative governing vision and governing agenda that’s principled, reform-minded, and forward-looking, and that appeals to groups that have not traditionally been supportive of them.

    The GOP and America’s Changing Demographics Commentary Magazine
    A prophecy that no doubt could be stemmed by simply rationally approaching our illegal immigration problem...Close the border first, then we can talk.
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    Re: White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    sorry - do not know who he is.
    Mike Malloy Radio Show : Progressive Radio : Online Video Streaming : The Best In Nighttime Liberal Talk! M-F 9pm-12am.

    He is a detestable little P.O.S. out of Atlanta that has a show on XM/Sirus' progressive talk channel...Just another flame thrower with no class that thinks that using profanity, and threats against his political opponents is what wins the arguments....

    I guess the prospect of the chickens coming home to roost is causing some on the right cause for concern.
    It ought to be cause for liberal progressives to worry...When repubs gain back total control over federal power, and they will, then some of the same crap that people like you cheered on while it was your hero's doing it, will have you squealing for mercy when it is used against you.
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