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Cuban intelligence agencies recruit leftist professors

Hatuey said:
No, you posted conjecture. You need to understand the meaning of these words and stop trying to sound smart. Oswald showing up at the Cuban embassy in DF for well known reasons is doesn't prove he worked with them to kill Kennedy in the same way that Oswald showing up at the Cuban embassy in DF is proof he tried to kill Fidel Castro. Again, conjecture and assumption is not proof of anything. Stop the conspiracy theories apdst. You're only digging a deeper hole.
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No, I posted facts. Get a grip and read a book.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
No apdst, your dishonesty is on display for all to see... as it usually is. You started off my making a definitive statement. When asked to show PROOF, you could not, and then either lied by confusing terms... or showed your ignorance on this matter by not knowing what the terms meant. When you changed the goalposts, and finally admitted, probably accidentally that you were really "suggesting" or theorizing, you started dancing around, avoiding the fact that your entire premise was then destroyed. And now, instead of admitting that you screwed up, you are just cowardly throwing crap, looking worse and worse with every post. All you needed to do was say, "yes, I messed up. It was a theory, one of which I have no proof, just information that may lead to the supposition that my theory has merit". But no. Your dishonesty doesn't allow that. So, instead, you'll keep looking bad with every post you make, here.
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Your ignorance is on display for all to see.

Ya see, the difference is, I haven't been dishonest about anything. I might bs wrong--doubtful--but not dishonest.

Play your game all you want, but there it is.
 
Kobie said:
Understatement of the century, given the frequency of "liberals = communists" around these parts.
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Despite what you may have heard liberals are generally not communists, although their history includes defending and supporting communism, or dismissing it as 'reds under the bed' or 'red scare'. This about a movement which led to the loss of over 100 million lives. It was incredibly good Soviet propaganda and the usual suspects fell for it..

The "Red Scare" was the hunt for communists here in the U.S. How many people died because of communism here in the United States?
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The term "Red Scare" was used to belittle anyone who pointed out the dangers of communism, and its consequences, and was not restricted to the United States. Did you know that over 100 million people died as a result of communism? Did they teach you that in school?

I suspect leftwingers in the States also dismissed the threat of Nazism, Racism and Fascism as well. True?

What research am I supposed to do.
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That's okay.
 
apdst said:
No, I posted facts.
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Here's the fun part apdst:

1. You made a claim about Cuba working with Oswald to kill Kennedy.
2. You based that on him visiting the Cuban embassy in DF for what is already known to be an attempt to defect. As admitted by the Cubans, the FBI and the CIA.
3. You then tried to pass off that meeting as part of some plot to assassinate Kennedy without a single shred of evidence to suggest such.

Stop digging your hole apdst. It's not looking good when you simply don't understand the difference between conjecture, theory, evidence and facts.
 
Hatuey said:
Here's the fun part apdst:

1. You made a claim about Cuba working with Oswald to kill Kennedy.
2. You based that on him visiting the Cuban embassy in DF for what is already known to be an attempt to defect. As admitted by the Cubans, the FBI and the CIA.
3. You then tried to pass off that meeting as part of some plot to assassinate Kennedy without a single shred of evidence to suggest such.

Stop digging your hole apdst. It's not looking good when you simply don't understand the difference between conjecture, theory, evidence and facts.
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The Cubans never said anything about Oswald defecting. Nice try.
 
Grant said:
Despite what you may have heard liberals are generally not communists, although their history includes defending and supporting communism, or dismissing it as 'reds under the bed' or 'red scare'. This about a movement which led to the loss of over 100 million lives. It was incredibly good Soviet propaganda and the usual suspects fell for it.

The term "Red Scare" was used to belittle anyone who pointed out the dangers of communism, and its consequences, and was not restricted to the United States. Did you know that over 100 million people died as a result of communism? Did they teach you that in school?
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First Red Scare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

McCarthyism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These were restricted to the United States.

Re: the bold, your insufferable condescension is duly noted.
 
Kobie said:
First Red Scare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

McCarthyism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/

These were restricted to the United States.
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The link was restricted to the US but certainly not the terms. Do you honestly believe that these things end at borders of the United States?
Re: the bold, your insufferable condescension is duly noted.
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The Communists killed over 100 million people during their reign of terror. Seriously, was this ever taught in the schools? Many seem to take communism as a joke, when they would never take Fascism, Racism or Nazism as lightly. It seems you genuinely don't understand what the communists actually did.
 
Grant said:
The link was restricted to the US but certainly not the terms. Do you honestly believe that these things end at borders of the United States?
The Communists killed over 100 million people during their reign of terror. Seriously, was this ever taught in the schools? Many seem to take communism as a joke, when they would never take Fascism, Racism or Nazism as lightly. It seems you genuinely don't understand what the communists actually did.
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Oh, for Christ's sake, of course it was and you damn well know it. That said, McCarthy's hunt for communists often led to the label being used to tar one's political enemies, it led to Constitutional rights being violated, it led to people being accused of harboring communist sympathies despite a paucity of evidence. Did they teach you THAT in school?
 
Kobie said:
Anarchists are not communists. How is this relevant in any way?
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Read it and learn something.

Or, you could be like Hatuey and reference a fictional work to prove me wrong? :lamo
 
apdst said:
Read it and learn something.

Or, you could be like Hatuey and reference a fictional work to prove me wrong? :lamo
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You didn't answer the question.
 
Kobie said:
Oh, for Christ's sake, of course it was and you damn well know it. That said, McCarthy's hunt for communists often led to the label being used to tar one's political enemies, it led to Constitutional rights being violated, it led to people being accused of harboring communist sympathies despite a paucity of evidence. Did they teach you THAT in school?
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Yes, in fact I read a great deal about McCarthy and how the communists used McCarthyism to further their own propaganda. If you want to learn more on that era there are plenty of books available with Witness, by Whitaker Chambers, being a good place to start. Two Faiths: The Witness of Whittaker Chambers | Acton Institute The use of propaganda on the democracies was communists greatest triumphs. Only the Nazis came close.

It's hard to believe that the terrors of communism were taught in very many schools, given the number of present-day leftists in academia.
 
apdst said:
Um...you know that book is fiction...right? :lamo

Seven Days in November 1963 by Edward J. Gibbons - FictionDB
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Sigh, links don't seem to work for you, so here we go again:

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Thus while Oswald's real intentions, assuming that they were known to himself, are not clear, he may not have intended to go to the Soviet Union directly, if at all.377 It appears that he really wanted to go to Cuba. In his wife's words:

I only know that his basic desire was to get to Cuba by any means, and that all the rest of it was window dressing for that purpose.378
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Marina Oswald testified that her husband engaged in Fair Play for Cuba Committee activities "primarily for purposes of self-advertising. He wanted to be arrested. I think he wanted to get into the newspapers, so that he would be known." 379 According to Marina Oswald, he thought that would help him when he got to Cuba.380 He asked his wife to help him to hijack an airplane to get there, but gave up that scheme when she refused.381
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The Cubans would not, however, give him a visa until he had received one from the Soviets, which involved a delay of several months. When faced with that situation Oswald became greatly agitated, and although he later unsuccessfully attempted to obtain a Soviet visa at the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City, he insisted that he was entitled to the Cuban visa because of his background, partisanship, and personal activities on behalf of the Cuban movement. He engaged in an angry argument with the consul who finally told him that "as far as he was concerned he would not give him a visa" and that "a person like him [Oswald] in place of aiding the Cuban Revolution, was doing it harm."
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The Warren Commission is fiction too? This is all well known information apdst, Oswald tried to defect to Cuba - the Cubans made it public ages ago when they denied the visa that even his wife knew he wouldn't get. The CIA knew, the FBI knew. The Cubans knew. Books of fiction even know about this. Everyone except you seems to know about this. Quit digging deeper.
 
Kobie said:
Anarchists are not communists. How is this relevant in any way?
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From the link.
Luigi Galleani (Italian: [luˈidʒi ɡalleˈani]; August 12, 1861 – November 4, 1931) was an Italian anarchist active in the United States from 1901 to 1919, viewed by historians as an anarcho-communist and an insurrectionary anarchist.
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Hatuey said:
Sigh, links don't seem to work for you, so here we go again:

Chapter 7







The Warren Commission is fiction too? This is all well known information apdst, Oswald tried to defect to Cuba - the Cubans made it public ages ago when they denied the visa that even his wife knew he wouldn't get. The CIA knew, the FBI knew. The Cubans knew. Books of fiction even know about this. Everyone except you seems to know about this. Quit digging deeper.
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How many times are you going to have to be told: IT'S A FICTIONAL WORK!

You tell ME to stop digging and then you're going to post a fiction book as your evidence that I'm wrong? um...:lamo
 
Kobie said:
You didn't answer the question.
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You didn't read the information I provided for your education.

What's next? You're going to tell us that Joe McCarthy created the HUAC and was it's chairman?
 
apdst said:
How many times are you going to have to be told: IT'S A FICTIONAL WORK!
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The Warren Commission which the book uses to lay out its argument is fictional work. Got it.

Warren Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thus while Oswald's real intentions, assuming that they were known to himself, are not clear, he may not have intended to go to the Soviet Union directly, if at all.377 It appears that he really wanted to go to Cuba. In his wife's words:

I only know that his basic desire was to get to Cuba by any means, and that all the rest of it was window dressing for that purpose.378
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Chapter 7

he insisted that he was entitled to the Cuban visa because of his background, partisanship, and personal activities on behalf of the Cuban movement.
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Chapter 7

You've officially jumped off the deep end apdst. Not only do you not know what a fact is (for example: Oswald tried to defect to Cuba and was denied. This was admitted by his wife and the Cubans). You also don't know what a theory is (for example: The Cubans and Oswald worked together to kill Kennedy). And you also don't seem to think that the Warren Commission (where all of this is proven/disproven) is a fictional work.
 
Hatuey said:
The Warren Commission which the book uses to lay out its argument is fictional work. Got it.

Warren Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Chapter 7



Chapter 7

You've officially jumped off the deep end apdst. Not only do you not know what a fact is (for example: Oswald tried to defect to Cuba and was denied. This was admitted by his wife and the Cubans). You also don't know what a theory is (for example: The Cubans and Oswald worked together to kill Kennedy). And you also don't seem to think that the Warren Commission (where all of this is proven/disproven) is a fictional work.
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Look, my man, your credibility went down the crapper the second your decided it would be a good idea to post a fiction book, in an attempt to pass it off as historical documentation. :lamo

And CC calls ME a liar? :lamo :lamo
 
apdst said:
You didn't read the information I provided for your education.
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Uh, yeah I did. The bombers were basically the modern-day equivalent of a terrorist cell.

What, exactly, is your point?

apdst said:
What's next? You're going to tell us that Joe McCarthy created the HUAC and was it's chairman?
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Uh, no.
 
Kobie said:
Uh, yeah I did. The bombers were basically the modern-day equivalent of a terrorist cell.

What, exactly, is your point?
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Yeah, communist terrorists.



Uh, no.
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You goggled it, before you posted...huh? :lamo
 
apdst said:
Yeah, communist terrorists.

You goggled it, before you posted...huh? :lamo
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What, exactly, is your point? Just spit it out already and stop wasting everyone's time.
 
apdst said:
Look, my man, your credibility went down the crapper the second your decided it would be a good idea to post a fiction book, in an attempt to pass it off as historical documentation. :lamo

And CC calls ME a liar? :lamo :lamo
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Lmao apdst - you still don't realize what I did, do you? I posted in both cases the same information from both a book taking a plausible account of what happened using facts (i.e: your "fictional book") and a historical document (The Warren Commission) and you refused to acknowledge what is an admitted fact in the historical document (the Warren commission) because you didn't know Oswald had tried to defect to Cuba. It's more than obvious now that you don't know what a fact is or how they work in terms of substantiating a claim.
 
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