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IRS says it has lost emails from 5 more employees

Kurmugeon said:
You have provided zero evidence to back up your assertion. So far, in this thread, you have only jeered and smeared.

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Lol.

Just what do you think I've been asserting and jeering & smearing?
 
Roadvirus said:
Has the potential? We are waaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond that.

And this entire administration has made Nixon look like a boy scout.
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Without solid evidence, unfortunately, it can only be potential. This administration is very adept at covering up.
 
Ockham said:
Without solid evidence, unfortunately, it can only be potential. This administration is very adept at covering up.
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Really?

Its not like we don't know they are doing it!



Nixon was removed from office because of the cover-up, not the crime.

Eric Holder should be impeached, removed from office, prosecuted and put in prison.

Obama should be impeached and removed from office.

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Anthony60 said:
Yes, I don't know what is worse (or more damaging) that the IRS scandal has gone on for years now without one person being punished (let alone fired) or the fact that the left wing media and Obama have largely ignored it.

I remember Obama addressing it twice. When it broke (and he read about it in the paper) he strongly condemned it as being something that could not be tolerated (and he has since punished no one) and then he told us all that there was not a smidgen of corruption at the IRS.
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If anyone hasn't connected the dots yet, Obama is the guy who is in charge of the IRS, the DOJ and the main stream media.

Do the math.
 
code1211 said:
If anyone hasn't connected the dots yet, Obama is the guy who is in charge of the IRS, the DOJ and the main stream media.

Do the math.
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He would like to control Fox News:
Shockwaves over Obama administration’s plan to put government monitors in newsrooms - BizPac Review
Government Monitors in Newsrooms? | Free Speech, American Center for Law and Justice ACLJ
Breaking News: Obama Orders FCC to Monitor News Rooms! | Politics

Certainly his has made great strides in creating Government Influence over the MSM.

But he doesn't yet CONTROL the entire MSM.

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Kurmugeon said:
Here we go again.

News from The Associated Press



Just how many times will the American people accept this?

When the IRS audits an American Tax Payer, we are expected to maintain our records flawlessly....

Should the IRS be held to their own standard?

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Holy ****!

The IRS learns some tricks from Hillary Clinton...

I wonder if they will show up just a day or two late too...?
 
BringIt said:
It's official: There's not a "smidgen of corruption" in the IRS scandal, and if you believe otherwise, you're a paranoid winger who believes in wacky conspiracy theories.

That's the narrative being pushed by the Obama White House, Democrat congressmen and Dem strategists.
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Narrative?

On this?

I don't think it is limited to the IRS harassing Republicans, the "it's old news, its a TEABAGGER conspiracy" has been employed in, let's see.

Obamacare
Benghazi
and all the stuff Obama learned about on TV..

that, I am afraid is no longer a "narrative' but evidence of fraudulent obstruction of justice and fraud.
 
Kurmugeon said:
He would like to control Fox News:
Shockwaves over Obama administration’s plan to put government monitors in newsrooms - BizPac Review
Government Monitors in Newsrooms? | Free Speech, American Center for Law and Justice ACLJ
Breaking News: Obama Orders FCC to Monitor News Rooms! | Politics

Certainly his has made great strides in creating Government Influence over the MSM.

But he doesn't yet CONTROL the entire MSM.

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He doesn't need to control him. He is them.

Good looking. He can read a teleprompter. Really has no understanding of anything in the world. Understands no real cause effect in how it affects a person's life. Has no concept of history or of the cause and effect of international politics. Accepts without question or analysis all Liberal bias and contempt.

He would be a perfect reporter or anchorperson on almost any news show.
 
Shocking! IRS keeps "loosing" evidence that they are corrupt....Tell us again demo's how the IRS is competent in investigating themselves.....
 
upsideguy said:
I think its because its complete silliness. It is only a scandal in the minds of those that want to find scandals....
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Democrats love clueless people like you. You're the type of person they can depend on to continue to vote for their side no matter what they do wrong.
 
Kurmugeon said:
Really?

Its not like we don't know they are doing it!
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I certainly think it's likely but our system of government and laws requires evidence. Unfortunately I know the guy down the street from me was dealing drugs out of his house but each time he was raided they didn't find the stash. :shrug:

Kurmugeon said:
Nixon was removed from office because of the cover-up, not the crime.
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We need physical evidence of the cover up.

Kurmugeon said:
Eric Holder should be impeached, removed from office, prosecuted and put in prison.
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On what basis? Sure the guys a race baiting asshole but that's not enough to impeach him.

Kurmugeon said:
Obama should be impeached and removed from office.
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Not without a super majority in the Senate and clear indications of high crimes or misdemeanors. Again, being a lying sack of **** ideologue who divides the country by race and economics isn't enough reason to impeach - though I certainly sympathize with those who think differently.
 
upsideguy said:
I think its because its complete silliness. It is only a scandal in the minds of those that want to find scandals....
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Yes, what silliness it is! Americans being oppressed by the government because of their political affiliation! It just doesn't get more hilarious than that! Stalin must be laughing hysterically right now!
 
code1211 said:
This is the most pronounced, prolonged and most egregious series of illegal activities of any government at any level since Teapot Dome.
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Illegal wars in Central America I guess were just no big deal I suppose.
Nor orchestrating arms for hostages to win an election.
Nor derailing Vietnam peace talks in order to win an election.

Whatever is the latest supposed scandal always has someone running out to the front and screaming that it is the worst of all time.
 
Roadvirus said:
Democrats love clueless people like you. You're the type of person they can depend on to continue to vote for their side no matter what they do wrong.
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Clueless???? right.... It's because I actually have a clue that I can sit here from a far and laugh at the fools that think this is big stuff. Let's start with the fact that if this were a real scandal, it would be getting real attention at this point, after all, we are 18 months into this thing. After numerous congressional inquiries we are far more focused on bad IT policy at the IRS than anything of real substance. After 18 months, the story has ZERO traction except from some political porn sites that exist to perpetuate fantasy. Yeah, it must be the liberal press that doesn't want to pay attention. Not only is that an incredibly weak and laughable argument, I dare say if you find yourself saying that, you should take it as a clue that you are susceptible to being taken by cults....

So, let's walk through the clues, shall we....

Do you understand what a 501(c)(4) is?

Social Welfare Organizations

Do you know that 501(c)(4) groups, in there original intent, were not allowed ANY political activity... but in a change in regulation by the Eisenhower administration a big loop-hole was created?

Rewriting the rules for 501(c)(4)s - Los Angeles Times

Do you know why 501(c)(4) status is important to political groups, particularly the tea party?
...because it allows them to skirt campaign disclosure laws...

The Real I.R.S. Scandal - The New Yorker

Do you know that you do not need to actually apply for 501(c)(4) status, you can simply declare it? These organizations applied because they were living on the edge of the law. Permission in this case was a better option than forgiveness....

One Reason To Apply For Tax-Exempt Status: Anonymity : NPR
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/Form14449.pdf
Optional Expedited Processing Offered to Certain 501(c)(4) Applicants Before December 23, 2013

Tea Party Groups--And Others--Can Beat IRS By Self-Declaring Tax Exemption - Forbes

Let's summarize, shall we.....

The 501(c)(4) is a not-for-profit social welfare organization that must be organized solely for the purpose of social welfare. It can engage in SOME lobbying activity, but that must be less than 40% of its activity. Contributors to 501(c)(4) organizations can be anonymous. 501(c)(4), as part of their lobbying activities CAN give their money to other organizations (anonymous in; single check out.... political money laundering).... During the time in question, 2009 to 2011 was, in essence, that advent and proliferation of tea party groups (they comprised most of the political groups formed during this time frame).... the IRS, being a unit of government that actually employs some smart people, saw this wave and stepped up scrutiny.

Political groups, in general and Tea party groups, in particular, reacted to the flow of capital provided by Citizens United to find ways to funnel money anonymously to their constituent candidates and causes. Knowing they were living on the edge, they actually filed for IRS determination letters. The IRS, knowing that these groups were pushing the limits of law scrambled to figure out what to do as there wasn't much precedent for determining how much political was too political.

IRS Tea Party Scandal: Primary Activity of a 501(c)4

The end of the day, the IRS was doing its job.

You are welcome! I am more than happy to help you become less clueless. As you now see, this is complete silliness. Your time would be better spent on something that mattered....and lay off the political porn, if screws up you mind...
 
poweRob said:
Illegal wars in Central America I guess were just no big deal I suppose.
Nor orchestrating arms for hostages to win an election.
Nor derailing Vietnam peace talks in order to win an election.

Whatever is the latest supposed scandal always has someone running out to the front and screaming that it is the worst of all time.
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You're talking about foreign affairs and there is a wealth of wrong headed activities taken there.

The IRS Targeting scandal is activity by a political party using the Power of the Federal Government to influence the outcome of the lection.

Nixon was impeached for thinking about doing this.

Obama did it and he's one step away from sainthood.
 
code1211 said:
You're talking about foreign affairs and there is a wealth of wrong headed activities taken there.

The IRS Targeting scandal is activity by a political party using the Power of the Federal Government to influence the outcome of the lection.

Nixon was impeached for thinking about doing this.

Obama did it and he's one step away from sainthood.
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Nixon did a whole lot more than just think about it. If there is something there... I hope they find it. But until they have something other than fox news throwing temper tantrums... there really isn't anything there but another trumped up faux scandal poutrage.
 
poweRob said:
Nixon did a whole lot more than just think about it. If there is something there... I hope they find it. But until they have something other than fox news throwing temper tantrums... there really isn't anything there but another trumped up faux scandal poutrage.
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Perhaps you could point out what Nixon did that Obama has not done.
 
upsideguy said:
Clueless???? right.... It's because I actually have a clue that I can sit here from a far and laugh at the fools that think this is big stuff. Let's start with the fact that if this were a real scandal, it would be getting real attention at this point, after all, we are 18 months into this thing. After numerous congressional inquiries we are far more focused on bad IT policy at the IRS than anything of real substance. After 18 months, the story has ZERO traction except from some political porn sites that exist to perpetuate fantasy. Yeah, it must be the liberal press that doesn't want to pay attention. Not only is that an incredibly weak and laughable argument, I dare say if you find yourself saying that, you should take it as a clue that you are susceptible to being taken by cults....

So, let's walk through the clues, shall we....

Do you understand what a 501(c)(4) is?

Social Welfare Organizations

Do you know that 501(c)(4) groups, in there original intent, were not allowed ANY political activity... but in a change in regulation by the Eisenhower administration a big loop-hole was created?

Rewriting the rules for 501(c)(4)s - Los Angeles Times

Do you know why 501(c)(4) status is important to political groups, particularly the tea party?
...because it allows them to skirt campaign disclosure laws...

The Real I.R.S. Scandal - The New Yorker

Do you know that you do not need to actually apply for 501(c)(4) status, you can simply declare it? These organizations applied because they were living on the edge of the law. Permission in this case was a better option than forgiveness....

One Reason To Apply For Tax-Exempt Status: Anonymity : NPR
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/Form14449.pdf
Optional Expedited Processing Offered to Certain 501(c)(4) Applicants Before December 23, 2013

Tea Party Groups--And Others--Can Beat IRS By Self-Declaring Tax Exemption - Forbes

Let's summarize, shall we.....

The 501(c)(4) is a not-for-profit social welfare organization that must be organized solely for the purpose of social welfare. It can engage in SOME lobbying activity, but that must be less than 40% of its activity. Contributors to 501(c)(4) organizations can be anonymous. 501(c)(4), as part of their lobbying activities CAN give their money to other organizations (anonymous in; single check out.... political money laundering).... During the time in question, 2009 to 2011 was, in essence, that advent and proliferation of tea party groups (they comprised most of the political groups formed during this time frame).... the IRS, being a unit of government that actually employs some smart people, saw this wave and stepped up scrutiny.

Political groups, in general and Tea party groups, in particular, reacted to the flow of capital provided by Citizens United to find ways to funnel money anonymously to their constituent candidates and causes. Knowing they were living on the edge, they actually filed for IRS determination letters. The IRS, knowing that these groups were pushing the limits of law scrambled to figure out what to do as there wasn't much precedent for determining how much political was too political.

IRS Tea Party Scandal: Primary Activity of a 501(c)4

The end of the day, the IRS was doing its job.

You are welcome! I am more than happy to help you become less clueless. As you now see, this is complete silliness. Your time would be better spent on something that mattered....and lay off the political porn, if screws up you mind...
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Why was the IRS demanding list of contributors and members from the groups that were being vetted?
 
code1211 said:
Perhaps you could point out what Nixon did that Obama has not done.
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BBC News - The Lyndon Johnson tapes: Richard Nixon's 'treason'

Declassified tapes of President Lyndon Johnson's telephone calls provide a fresh insight into his world. Among the revelations - he planned a dramatic entry into the 1968 Democratic Convention to re-join the presidential race. And he caught Richard Nixon sabotaging the Vietnam peace talks... but said nothing.​
 
poweRob said:
BBC News - The Lyndon Johnson tapes: Richard Nixon's 'treason'

Declassified tapes of President Lyndon Johnson's telephone calls provide a fresh insight into his world. Among the revelations - he planned a dramatic entry into the 1968 Democratic Convention to re-join the presidential race. And he caught Richard Nixon sabotaging the Vietnam peace talks... but said nothing.​
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Well, If a lying thief in the Democrat Party said it about a lying thief in the Republican Party, it must be gospel truth.

How could a private citizen sabotage an international negotiation?

The North Viet Namese never had any intention of negotiating for anything but additional time to run out the clock. By 1968, the only question was WHEN we would leave, not if. Walter Cronkite turned against the war on the air in February 1968.

It was all over at that point.
 
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code1211 said:
Well, If a lying thief in the Democrat Party said it about a lying thief in the Republican Party, it must be gospel truth.

How could a private citizen sabotage an international negotiation?

The North Viet Namese never had any intention of negotiating for anything but additional time to run out the clock. By 1968, the only question was WHEN we would leave, not if. Walter Cronkite turned against the war on the air in February 1968.

It was all over at that point.
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Yeah, there's a tad more witnesses than just here say from LBJ.

Like some of Nixon's staff...

Yes, Nixon Scuttled the Vietnam Peace Talks - John Aloysius Farrell - POLITICO Magazine

Or perhaps George Will admitting it?

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/12/george-will-confirms-nixons-vietnam-treason
 
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poweRob said:
Nixon did a whole lot more than just think about it. If there is something there... I hope they find it. But until they have something other than fox news throwing temper tantrums... there really isn't anything there but another trumped up faux scandal poutrage.
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Uh....if Bush had lost the entire hard drives of, say, 7 of his cabinet members during an investigation....



You'd say the same thing, right?
 
poweRob said:
BBC News - The Lyndon Johnson tapes: Richard Nixon's 'treason'

Declassified tapes of President Lyndon Johnson's telephone calls provide a fresh insight into his world. Among the revelations - he planned a dramatic entry into the 1968 Democratic Convention to re-join the presidential race. And he caught Richard Nixon sabotaging the Vietnam peace talks... but said nothing.​
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So, Nixon being a dirtbag = IRS officials innocent?
 
tres borrachos said:
Then why did Lois Lerner plead the Fifth if she was just "doing her job"?
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Because tax collection is top secret, and she kept her mouth shut in the interest of national security?
 
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