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    Re: IRS says it has lost emails from 5 more employees

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    You're talking about foreign affairs and there is a wealth of wrong headed activities taken there.

    The IRS Targeting scandal is activity by a political party using the Power of the Federal Government to influence the outcome of the lection.

    Nixon was impeached for thinking about doing this.

    Obama did it and he's one step away from sainthood.
    Nixon did a whole lot more than just think about it. If there is something there... I hope they find it. But until they have something other than fox news throwing temper tantrums... there really isn't anything there but another trumped up faux scandal poutrage.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: IRS says it has lost emails from 5 more employees

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Nixon did a whole lot more than just think about it. If there is something there... I hope they find it. But until they have something other than fox news throwing temper tantrums... there really isn't anything there but another trumped up faux scandal poutrage.


    Perhaps you could point out what Nixon did that Obama has not done.
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    Re: IRS says it has lost emails from 5 more employees

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Clueless???? right.... It's because I actually have a clue that I can sit here from a far and laugh at the fools that think this is big stuff. Let's start with the fact that if this were a real scandal, it would be getting real attention at this point, after all, we are 18 months into this thing. After numerous congressional inquiries we are far more focused on bad IT policy at the IRS than anything of real substance. After 18 months, the story has ZERO traction except from some political porn sites that exist to perpetuate fantasy. Yeah, it must be the liberal press that doesn't want to pay attention. Not only is that an incredibly weak and laughable argument, I dare say if you find yourself saying that, you should take it as a clue that you are susceptible to being taken by cults....

    So, let's walk through the clues, shall we....

    Do you understand what a 501(c)(4) is?

    Social Welfare Organizations

    Do you know that 501(c)(4) groups, in there original intent, were not allowed ANY political activity... but in a change in regulation by the Eisenhower administration a big loop-hole was created?

    Rewriting the rules for 501(c)(4)s - Los Angeles Times

    Do you know why 501(c)(4) status is important to political groups, particularly the tea party?
    ...because it allows them to skirt campaign disclosure laws...

    The Real I.R.S. Scandal - The New Yorker

    Do you know that you do not need to actually apply for 501(c)(4) status, you can simply declare it? These organizations applied because they were living on the edge of the law. Permission in this case was a better option than forgiveness....

    One Reason To Apply For Tax-Exempt Status: Anonymity : NPR
    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/Form14449.pdf
    Optional Expedited Processing Offered to Certain 501(c)(4) Applicants Before December 23, 2013

    Tea Party Groups--And Others--Can Beat IRS By Self-Declaring Tax Exemption - Forbes

    Let's summarize, shall we.....

    The 501(c)(4) is a not-for-profit social welfare organization that must be organized solely for the purpose of social welfare. It can engage in SOME lobbying activity, but that must be less than 40% of its activity. Contributors to 501(c)(4) organizations can be anonymous. 501(c)(4), as part of their lobbying activities CAN give their money to other organizations (anonymous in; single check out.... political money laundering).... During the time in question, 2009 to 2011 was, in essence, that advent and proliferation of tea party groups (they comprised most of the political groups formed during this time frame).... the IRS, being a unit of government that actually employs some smart people, saw this wave and stepped up scrutiny.

    Political groups, in general and Tea party groups, in particular, reacted to the flow of capital provided by Citizens United to find ways to funnel money anonymously to their constituent candidates and causes. Knowing they were living on the edge, they actually filed for IRS determination letters. The IRS, knowing that these groups were pushing the limits of law scrambled to figure out what to do as there wasn't much precedent for determining how much political was too political.

    IRS Tea Party Scandal: Primary Activity of a 501(c)4

    The end of the day, the IRS was doing its job.

    You are welcome! I am more than happy to help you become less clueless. As you now see, this is complete silliness. Your time would be better spent on something that mattered....and lay off the political porn, if screws up you mind...



    Why was the IRS demanding list of contributors and members from the groups that were being vetted?
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    Re: IRS says it has lost emails from 5 more employees

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Perhaps you could point out what Nixon did that Obama has not done.

    BBC News - The Lyndon Johnson tapes: Richard Nixon's 'treason'

    Declassified tapes of President Lyndon Johnson's telephone calls provide a fresh insight into his world. Among the revelations - he planned a dramatic entry into the 1968 Democratic Convention to re-join the presidential race. And he caught Richard Nixon sabotaging the Vietnam peace talks... but said nothing.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: IRS says it has lost emails from 5 more employees

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    <snip>The end of the day, the IRS was doing its job.
    Then why did Lois Lerner plead the Fifth if she was just "doing her job"?

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    Re: IRS says it has lost emails from 5 more employees

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    BBC News - The Lyndon Johnson tapes: Richard Nixon's 'treason'

    Declassified tapes of President Lyndon Johnson's telephone calls provide a fresh insight into his world. Among the revelations - he planned a dramatic entry into the 1968 Democratic Convention to re-join the presidential race. And he caught Richard Nixon sabotaging the Vietnam peace talks... but said nothing.


    Well, If a lying thief in the Democrat Party said it about a lying thief in the Republican Party, it must be gospel truth.

    How could a private citizen sabotage an international negotiation?

    The North Viet Namese never had any intention of negotiating for anything but additional time to run out the clock. By 1968, the only question was WHEN we would leave, not if. Walter Cronkite turned against the war on the air in February 1968.

    It was all over at that point.
    Last edited by code1211; 09-10-14 at 06:36 PM.
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    Re: IRS says it has lost emails from 5 more employees

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Well, If a lying thief in the Democrat Party said it about a lying thief in the Republican Party, it must be gospel truth.

    How could a private citizen sabotage an international negotiation?

    The North Viet Namese never had any intention of negotiating for anything but additional time to run out the clock. By 1968, the only question was WHEN we would leave, not if. Walter Cronkite turned against the war on the air in February 1968.

    It was all over at that point.
    Yeah, there's a tad more witnesses than just here say from LBJ.

    Like some of Nixon's staff...

    Yes, Nixon Scuttled the Vietnam Peace Talks - John Aloysius Farrell - POLITICO Magazine

    Or perhaps George Will admitting it?

    http://www.commondreams.org/views/20...ietnam-treason
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: IRS says it has lost emails from 5 more employees

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Nixon did a whole lot more than just think about it. If there is something there... I hope they find it. But until they have something other than fox news throwing temper tantrums... there really isn't anything there but another trumped up faux scandal poutrage.
    Uh....if Bush had lost the entire hard drives of, say, 7 of his cabinet members during an investigation....



    You'd say the same thing, right?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: IRS says it has lost emails from 5 more employees

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    BBC News - The Lyndon Johnson tapes: Richard Nixon's 'treason'

    Declassified tapes of President Lyndon Johnson's telephone calls provide a fresh insight into his world. Among the revelations - he planned a dramatic entry into the 1968 Democratic Convention to re-join the presidential race. And he caught Richard Nixon sabotaging the Vietnam peace talks... but said nothing.
    So, Nixon being a dirtbag = IRS officials innocent?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: IRS says it has lost emails from 5 more employees

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Then why did Lois Lerner plead the Fifth if she was just "doing her job"?
    Because tax collection is top secret, and she kept her mouth shut in the interest of national security?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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