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Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden[W:335:480]

Grant said:
Where have any of these Islamic groups said they want "Armageddon"? The best place to learn of their intentions is to listen directly to what they are saying.
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Yeah, they're trying to start Muhommid's promised war against Sufyani.
 
Jerry said:
Intimidation is just a half measure.

Islam wants Armageddon, and so trying to intimidate Islamists with war is like trying to insult a waiter with a large tip. All out war is exactly what they want.
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Jerry, if you think the current JOKE of an administration is "intimidating" anyone in the world you're fooling yourself.
 
Grant said:
Why would they want all out war? Have they claimed that or is that a guess?
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They believe that all out war in the Middle East is the conduit through which the Mahdi will return to rule over the global caliphate.

So, essentially, think of it in terms of the Biblical End Times:

1 Thessalonians 5:3 ...'For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.'

Scary stuff. Used in the Bible to push Christians to become better people so that when the end comes they will be ready.

In these Islamic sects they look at it very differently. Imagine a Christian sect reading 1 Thessalonians 5:3 and thinking "Well, since destruction is the kick off of the Rapture, I guess we should commence with some destruction!" ... that is where ISIS's head is at, essentially. The Quran and the Hadiths are filled with similar prophecies of the end times that come before the rise of the global Caliphate. ISIS sees them as Allah's honey-do list.
 
Jerry said:
Intimidation is just a half measure.

Islam wants Armageddon, and so trying to intimidate Islamists with war is like trying to insult a waiter with a large tip. All out war is exactly what they want.
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Cool. Let's give them what they want.

Have you lost your nerve?
 
Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

mak2 said:
So wait, was this guy talking about cats or what?
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I heard that he also decapitated the victim's cats.
 
jmotivator said:
They believe that all out war in the Middle East is the conduit through which the Mahdi will return to rule over the global caliphate.

So, essentially, think of it in terms of the Biblical End Times:

1 Thessalonians 5:3 ...'For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.'

Scary stuff. Used in the Bible to push Christians to become better people so that when the end comes they will be ready.

In these Islamic sects they look at it very differently. Imagine a Christian sect reading 1 Thessalonians 5:3 and thinking "Well, since destruction is the kick off of the Rapture, I guess we should commence with some destruction!" ... that is where ISIS's head is at, essentially. The Quran and the Hadiths are filled with similar prophecies of the end times that come before the rise of the global Caliphate. ISIS sees them as Allah's honey-do list.
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That's right, though it's hard to wrap our heads around that sort of thinking. We tend to think that others who behave like we do in many areas are like us in all areas, that they are rational human beings, but of course that's not the case. Dig a little deeper and they are hugely different, as we have seen so often.
 
j-mac said:
Jerry, if you think the current JOKE of an administration is "intimidating" anyone in the world you're fooling yourself.
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I said 24 years....that means Obama, Bush Jr, Clinton, and Bush Sr.
 
Grant said:
You mentioned CR and I'm not following??
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Correct! And there IS NO Muslim connection to this. Otherwise, every time a person commits a crime in the US, and he happens to be a Christian as well (which will have a high probability due to the 75% profession) then we must conclude that it was a Christian related/motivated crime, too!
 
Montecresto said:
Correct! And there IS NO Muslim connection to this. Otherwise, every time a person commits a crime in the US, and he happens to be a Christian as well (which will have a high probability due to the 75% profession) then we must conclude that it was a Christian related/motivated crime, too!
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The first thing we learned after the woman was beheaded was that he was a Muslim. How did the police know that unless he told them? They certainly wouldn't have asked.

Do you believe Muslims were involved in the Lee Rigby case?
 
Jerry said:
That's just it. We haven't. And so therefore no it's not time to "do some intimidation of our own" as you suggest. We don't win that way.
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We have not won because we stopped doing the things that allow us to win. Do you prefer to cower? Where will that strategy lead us?
 
Montecresto said:
Correct! And there IS NO Muslim connection to this. Otherwise, every time a person commits a crime in the US, and he happens to be a Christian as well (which will have a high probability due to the 75% profession) then we must conclude that it was a Christian related/motivated crime, too!
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How about this? Any Islamic connection? The Islamic State of Sexual Violence
 
Grant said:
The first thing we learned after the woman was beheaded was that he was a Muslim. How did the police know that unless he told them? They certainly wouldn't have asked.
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The police didn't say he was Muslim - it's not the kind of thing British police will typically announce. They didn't (and I believe still haven't) say the victim was beheaded either.

Both of those nuggets of information came from the media reporting what random people in the area told them. The validity and accuracy of such statements can vary so you should be cautious putting too much faith in them.
 
Guys, I started this conversation with a different idea.
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I think it's clear to understand who are these "some"
 
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