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Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden[W:335:480]

Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

Montecresto said:
I see you still haven't proven your theory.
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There is no theory to prove. It was just another Muslim beheading an innocent victim and it will not be the last time this occurs.. There is no 'theory' necessary.
 
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JumpinJack said:
If they'd had guns, they might have been able to save her life by shooting from a distance instead of having to get close enough to taser him. London police don't carry guns.

And if the woman had had a gun (kept loaded), she and her cats might have had a fighting chance against the lunatic.
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There are some types of crimes, particularly those by the mentally ill, that no one, not even armed soldiers or secret service agents, have much of a chance of stopping.

Your "Defense" lies in exactly what happened in the case of the OP. Once the Lunatic has ID'd himself, then the surviving innocent people are on guard, and the appropriate authorities will subdue and cart away the perp.

This had always been true.

Given the lack of freedom that would be required for anything else to occur, I hope it will always stay that way.

Imagine a world were a sneaky lunatic could not grab a common house hold tool, such as a hammer, or a kitchen knife, and kill someone not expecting attack...

Imagine the level of constant surveillance and instant control it would take to make you safe from such..

Would you want to live that way?

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Grant said:
There is no theory to prove. It was just another Muslim beheading an innocent victim and it will not be the last time this occurs.. There is no 'theory' necessary.
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Really, I understood your opinion the first time.
 
Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

Montecresto said:
Really, I understood your opinion the first time.
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No opinion, or theory, is required. The facts are there before us and the topic of conversation sums it up neatly.
 
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Grant said:
No opinion, or theory, is required. The facts are there before us and the topic of conversation sums it up neatly.
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Your opinion sums nothing up, it's your opinion.
 
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Montecresto said:
Your opinion sums nothing up, it's your opinion.
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It is fact, not opinion, that there are Muslims targeting innocent people within the democracies. Here's another. Victims' families: Brendan Tevlin's murder like going through 9/11 all over again (VIDEO) | NJ.com

But the public will get stirred up for months over Treyvon Martin, or a football players suspension, while ignoring or not understanding, or downplaying the real story, which is what's happening here.
 
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Grant said:
It is fact, not opinion, that there are Muslims targeting innocent people within the democracies. Here's another. Victims' families: Brendan Tevlin's murder like going through 9/11 all over again (VIDEO) | NJ.com

But the public will get stirred up for months over Treyvon Martin, or a football players suspension, while ignoring or not understanding, or downplaying the real story, which is what's happening here.
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There's no Islamic terrorist connection to the story in the op, period. Now put your big boy pants on!
 
Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

Montecresto said:
There's no Islamic terrorist connection to the story in the op, period. Now put your big boy pants on!
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So Muslims beheading innocent people has no relation to terrorism.. How do you suppose the police knew he was a Muslim?

What about that case in New Jersey? Was that related to Islam or terrorism?
 
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Arcana XV said:
She's not Hispanic, Jerry. This ethnic classification doesn't even exist in Europe. If it's ever used, it's in reference to spanish speaking Latin Americans. The people of southern Europe, be they Portuguese, Spanish, Italian or Greek are considered white over here.
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"Hispanic" does not mean Latin America. Two diferent continents.

If we're goning to be so subjective then since both the DebatePolitics.com's server and I are in America, she's hispanic, not white.

Italions are sometimes considered white for American imigration puropses, but this lady doesn't seem to be an American immigrant, so she's not white.

If you take imogration policy out of it then "white" is only Caucasian/Anglo-saxon, which this lady clearly is not a member of.

So some black dude killed an italion lady. Why is this news?
 
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Grant said:
So Muslims beheading innocent people has no relation to terrorism..
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There was only this one guy. That's a key fact in determining that this was not a terrorist act. He claimed no membership of nore gave credit to any organisation. He's just a nut. That he's a Muslim is merly incidental.
 
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Jerry said:
There was only this one guy. That's a key fact in determining that this was not a terrorist act. He claimed no membership of nore gave credit to any organisation. He's just a nut. That he's a Muslim is merly incidental.
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Are you not aware that other Muslims are doing the same thing? Brendan Tevlin, American martyr, murdered on U.S. soil by jihadist killer | Rightly Wired

How did the police know this guy in London, immediately on capture, was a Muslim? As in the link provided they, like the DC snipers and the Fort Hood mass murderer, readily admit they are Muslims.
 
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Grant said:
How do you identify them?
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It's pretty easy...they quote their dogma, wear religious symbols on clothing, etc.

All a cop has to do to identify your religeon is ask, and I imagin they serched him so they would have found any religious item on him. Maybe they realized what he was yelling was not garble but arabic quotes from the Quran; and I bet they serched his house, too, religious folks keep all kinds of things marking their faith in their home.
 
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Jerry said:
It's pretty easy...they quote their dogma, wear religious symbols on clothing, etc.

All a cop has to do to identify your religeon is ask, and I imagin they serched him so they would have found any religious item on him. Maybe they realized what he was yelling was not garble but arabic quotes from the Quran; and I bet they serched his house, too, religious folks keep all kinds of things marking their faith in their home.
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So after this guy beheaded the woman you think they may have asked him his religion? Or do you think he may have offered it? If he shouted Allah Ackbar would that have made them suspicious?
 
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Grant said:
So after this guy beheaded the woman you think they may have asked him his religion?
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At some point, yes, either within an attempt to calm him through conversation or after he was taken into custody.

Grant said:
Or do you think he may have offered it?
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I think that's more likely than cops asking. While in the heat of the moment its perfectly believable to think he may have called either his victim and/or the cops "infidels"; that allone identifies him as Muslim. Or someone recognised his garble as actualy arabic.

Grant said:
If he shouted Allah Ackbar would that have made them suspicious?
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That would be a dead givaway.

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Just because a Muslim murders someone for their god doesn't mean they're a terrorist, because that's not what terrorism is. Jihad =/= terrorism.
 
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Jerry said:
Just because a Muslim murders someone for their god doesn't mean they're a terrorist, because that's not what terrorism is. Jihad =/= terrorism.
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Jerry, are you a recent convert?
 
Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

Grant said:
So Muslims beheading innocent people has no relation to terrorism.. How do you suppose the police knew he was a Muslim?

What about that case in New Jersey? Was that related to Islam or terrorism?
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If every time a Muslim murders someone it's an act of terrorism, and or, an act of religious extremism, then every time a Christian commits a murder we should be making the same argument.
 
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Jerry said:
There was only this one guy. That's a key fact in determining that this was not a terrorist act. He claimed no membership of nore gave credit to any organisation. He's just a nut. That he's a Muslim is merly incidental.
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As Grant would argue were a Christian to commit a heinous crime.
 
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Montecresto said:
If every time a Muslim murders someone it's an act of terrorism, and or, an act of religious extremism, then every time a Christian commits a murder we should be making the same argument.
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Sure, why not? However there aren't many Christians murdering people and saying they did it for their religion, or identify themselves as Christians first.
You've stopped trying to make any sense.
 
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Montecresto said:
As Grant would argue were a Christian to commit a heinous crime.
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You can debate my statements directly, okay? I never want to be identified with yours.
 
Simon Feltser said:
A 25-year-old man was arrested in connection with the death of a woman who was reportedly beheaded in the back garden of a North London home on Thursday afternoon. Officers used a Taser to apprehend the suspect, who is being treated at a hospital for injuries, according to Huffington Post UK. One officer also suffered a broken wrist, police said in a statement.
Woman reportedly beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden - The Washington Post

Well, it`s terrible. And we don`t know wether it was the attack terror-related or not. And another point in this: "officers used a taser to apprehend the suspect". I note that this is a dangerous criminal, rather than a simple thief. Why do our policemen shoot-to-kill in any situation?
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Sounds like another "honor killing" to me..... Why would someone cut another persons head off in broad daylight??? that isn't a typical way for murder.....
 
Mr.Nick said:
Sounds like another "honor killing" to me..... Why would someone cut another persons head off in broad daylight??? that isn't a typical way for murder.....
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As in other cases of similar precedent there is a strong sense of denial. Workplace violence, stress at work, they are insane, etc.

If many understand it to be true they would be lost, dazed, confused, etc. Their beliefs would be shattered and they'd have to create new excuses. They may also have to visit the adult idea of 'what do we do now?'.
 
Grant said:
As in other cases of similar precedent there is a strong sense of denial. Workplace violence, stress at work, they are insane, etc.

If many understand it to be true they would be lost, dazed, confused, etc. Their beliefs would be shattered and they'd have to create new excuses. They may also have to visit the adult idea of 'what do we do now?'.
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Sadly "honor killings" are far too common in the civilized world..... You would be shocked how often they happen even here in the US, not to mention UK - the media just doesn't report them as "honor killings" just killings...

Last year there were like 20 in the United States, I know that doesn't sound like a lot, but factor that into the minute Islamic population (maybe 3% of the US population) and that 20 becomes disturbing (as if only 1 wouldn't be)...

IMO, I have really never heard of someone cutting anothers head off while they're still alive other than honor killings....
 
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Jerry said:
Just because a Muslim murders someone for their god doesn't mean they're a terrorist, because that's not what terrorism is. Jihad =/= terrorism.
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If a Muslim is murdering people for their God, it makes them an Extremist...and "Extremist" is another word for "Terrorist".
 
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