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Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden[W:335:480]

Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

So have everyone else. A fact you refuse to accept

I don't refuse to accept it at all. History is full of bloodshed on all sides. The difference is that today's Christians aren't committing widespread rape, cutting off heads, and crucifying people.
 
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Yep. It's almost as if they think it is Chinese, Japanese, and Indochinese are doing this.

As Orwell said, "In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

Britain needs more revolutionaries, by the looks of it -- real revolutionaries instead of all the childish leftist poseurs wearing their little fashion Keffiyehs and che teeshirts, offering up their quenelle salutes and mouthing every stupid terrorist platitude under the misapprehension that their doing so actually makes them look intelligent instead of so repulsively stupid.
It's interesting to check out Orwell quotes on the Internet and how they still apply to today. That people prefer to be lied to, maybe feeling it's for 'the greater good', is probably mentioned somewhere in there as well.
 
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You keep referring to "you people". Which are the "you people"?

The adults? People with a triple digit IQ? People from western culture?


The new nazis that have swapped the hatred of Jewish people for the hatred of Muslim people

You let the cat of of the bag as early as post 19 in this thread when you stated............

Gardener said:
I wouldn't call it terrorism in the classic sense.

This is the response to a man who had obviously just lost the plot. And if you had read the reports in the articles cited you would have seen the comment made by one of his employers who had stated that although the man had allegedly converted to Islam he never talked about it

Dave Jensen, 52, a builder who once employed Mr Salvadore as a labourer, said he had converted to Islam five years ago.

However he added that he had never behaved aggressively regarding his religion or beliefs.

Mr Jensen said: "Nick told me in passing he'd turned to Islam, about five years ago. But he wasn't in your face about it. He didn't try and convert others or talk about religion and politics at all.

Nick Salvadore, suspect for beheading of Palmira Silva, is would-be cage-fighter and Muslim convert - Telegraph

Now why would you ignore that ? In fact throughout all of the comments in that article from people who knew the man not one said anything remotely suggesting he was a radicalized Muslim.

But hey , you people can just ignore all of that information and insinuate a terrorist motive no matter how ridiculous the claim is
 
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It's interesting to check out Orwell quotes on the Internet and how they still apply to today. That people prefer to be lied to, maybe feeling it's for 'the greater good', is probably mentioned somewhere in there as well.

What's more interesting is that Orwell was a left winger. Funny how Gardener quotes a left winger who fought against the fascists that now quote him
 
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This is why the Brits lost their empire. .

Is having an empire a good thing? At some point one needs to allow people to control their own destiny. Why SHOULN'T Indians have a say in what happens in India?

I do think a certain post-colonial malaise comes into play here, though. People have been so browbeaten into thinking any regard for their own culture is a sign of racism and the shortcomings of other cultures is all their fault that far too many have actually come to identify with the culture that wishes to destroy theirs. In a way, I am reminded of those silly white suburban kids in America who are low on intelligence and self esteem, but hungry for some sort of culture they can embrace, so they run around as if they are gangsta rappers. There is a certain rewards/punishment system that comes into play where there are such disincentives involved in embracing their own culture that they seek to emulate another -- one where they receive props from their peeps instead of condemnation.

I'm sure the same thing occurs in Britain, and is probably magnified by the colonial guilt in that when you take an uneducated teen low on intelligence and self esteem and create a climate where any regard for their own culture is taboo, they embrace the alternate culture they see around them. In this case, in order to act out, these immature people actually come to identify with Islamists, since that is the most dominant alternate culture around them. That is why they run around spouting terrorist talking points and calling people names if they don't join them -- it is really just their childish search for belonging.
 
Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

I don't refuse to accept it at all. History is full of bloodshed on all sides. The difference is that today's Christians aren't committing widespread rape, cutting off heads, and crucifying people.


It took it's time coming but you got there in the end
 
Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

This is complete nonsense. Islamofascism as a political-religion has been around for a very long time. When hasn't it lead to brutal subjugation?
The evidence that they are a political movement is shown by the Muslim domination of the entire Middle East, the original home of the Christians and Jews, and now they are trying to force out both, claiming it belongs to Muslims, the last arrival on the scene. But the propaganda is such that freelance Jihadists, like the guy in this thread, and the left of course, consistently fall for all the 'Muslims are the victims' business.
 
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What's more interesting is that Orwell was a left winger. Funny how Gardener quotes a left winger who fought against the fascists that now quote him

Of course he was a left winger. Left wingers of his day fought against fascism rather than for it. If you do not comprehend the totalitarian nature of Islamism, you are far too ignorant to have any possible credibility here.

Maybe when you leave home you can actually start learning a little bit about the world around you instead of just spouting so many endless Islamist talking points like you do.
 
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Well, you see? The bolded is the joke in all this. If it were Christians we were discussing, the moderate Christians (which far outnumber the extremists) would not tolerate the extremist bull**** and savagery. They would put a stop to them like squashing bugs under their thumbs. The moderate Muslims are either cowards, or they live in fear of the extremist element, or they silently condone the bull****. Otherwise, it would not be escalating. I'd just as soon we weren't involved in it at all, but they have migrated to western democratic societies, and some of them have brought their barbaric bull**** with them, so we have to deal with it, like it or not.

Yes well, I disagree that moderate Muslims would bear any responsibility for these extremists which use Islam as a prop, but IMO don't give a **** about it, it's just power. And quite naturally, the moderates would live in fear of crossing these extremists. Note the terror of those rescued near Erbil. I'm sure you would be terrorised by these people as well, understandably. Don't know that that makes one a coward. Many people have complained for a long time about immigration laws throughout Europe which have allowed this problem to grow. And then there's Western policies in the ME of late that have given room for militant Islamic groups to flourish.
 
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It's interesting to check out Orwell quotes on the Internet and how they still apply to today. That people prefer to be lied to, maybe feeling it's for 'the greater good', is probably mentioned somewhere in there as well.

Having just been called a "New Nazi" for rejecting Islamist terrorism, I would definitely say that for some people ignorance is now strength, and war is now peace.
 
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It is not hate. Islam is at war with the West. Great Britain is losing the war in their country. If the West wants to survive this war it will have to recognize that this war is ongoing and re-engage the enemy.

England is committing suicide. It frustrates me to watch it.

We will commit suicide as well. I can see that just as clearly. We are only a few years behind Europe. That frustrates me as well. England should do something about it but England won't. The US should do something. But the US won't.

About as frustrated as people are over our policies in the Middle East that have been beneficial to militant Islamic groups.
 
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Of course he was a left winger. Left wingers of his day fought against fascism rather than for it. If you do not comprehend the totalitarian nature of Islamism, you are far too ignorant to have any possible credibility here.

Maybe when you leave home you can actually start learning a little bit about the world around you instead of just spouting so many endless Islamist talking points like you do.

And I assume your credibility is undeniable , especially when you can describe the actions of a man who loses the plot and runs amok with a weapon in terms such as............ " I wouldn't call it terrorism in the classic sense."

If you want to know the truth about what I think of Islam all you have to do is ask. It will at least give me a chance to regain my " credibility " in the eyes of the undoubtably credible :lol:
 
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How can Islam get a thousand year time out when the West keeps meddling in the middle east? Its Western interventionist foreign policy that is fueling terror attacks in the west. Muslims will leave you alone if you leave them alone. Its as simple as that.

Agreed, Apparently too simple equals too complex for too many that fail to see what you point out as simple!
 
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The Family-Family International-Children of God has been around since 1968 and is known for child abuse. Or the Church of Latter Day Saints cult which is also known for child abuse. Both are not being hunted to the ends of the earth.. in fact quite the opposite. There are many other cults or denominations of Christianity that do crazy things in the name of god and that leads to abuse, death and out right murder. It rarely gets in the news of course.
Can you provide any evidence of your claims that can compare with this?

BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | Saudi police 'stopped' fire rescue

Beslan school hostage crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


There are dozens of examples of how Muslims have murdered and abused children yet the subject of this thread, you, and many others, still appear to believe, without proof or reason, that Christians are doing something similar.
 
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Maybe and maybe not. But who gave the west the right to be judge, jury and executioner? The problem with the world right now is that too many nations meddle in affairs that they have no business in.

Your point will be twisted of course to suggest that you are blaming the democracies for militant Islamists killing of women and children. But as you pointed out as simple earlier, is in fact the problem. There were no quarters for these extremists before the West removed Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad. In the resulting vacuum, has arisen a new problem, which is emboldening the radicals around the world. Meddling, can get you in trouble.
 
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The BBC is not a Far Right Racist Neo Nazi Party?

BBC News - Rochdale grooming trial: Nine found guilty of child sex charges



For a long while, the only groups reporting the Epidemic of Rape Violence by Muslims against non-Muslim girls were right leaning internet news groups:

Muslim Gang Rapes and the Left Blames Us

Epidemic: Muslims Sexually Enslaving Children as White Officials Turn Blind Eye Over

England sees epidemic of Muslim men committing pedophile gang rape.


But the problem has grown in scale and outrage until it can no longer be kept hidden by the MSM.

The Official Government of the Netherlands is now Acknowledging the Epidemic of Muslim Rapists:
Fjordman: The Norwegian Government - Covering Up Immigrant Rapes

The fact that you're using a debate tactic of smearing as "far right racists and neo Nazi parties" those who question the beheading incident as possibly.. Maybe... not sure, needs to be watched,.... a Muslim attack pattern, indicates there may be more beheadings to come, and it certainly lets U.S. all know were YOU are coming from!

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It is amazing that anyone protesting the rape of children and young women is called "far right" or "Nazi", as though those in the middle of the political spectrum are indifferent to these crimes. The Left, of course, and true to their traditions, will go along with thee crimes because....well I don't know why. Perhaps a Leftist or "Progressive" can better explain this attitude.
 
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I'll remind you that an estimated 1.5 million British people took part in the anti war protests in this country prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. The biggest protests ever.

The complete dismissal by Blair and his acolytes , along with all the other major parties showed two things

Their complete contempt for democracy and the very overall humane nature of the British public.

Had their attempts to stop the upcoming slaughter in Iraq had of succeeded things would be very very different now. They were unsuccessful which has led to the situation in this country deteriorating since that time

Good to learn there was such opposition to the Iraq folly! Agreed, too bad it didn't stop Blair.
 
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We lost our empire because we got bled dry fighting the Nazis for 6 years. Worth pointing out as well we have fought in Korea, the Falklands, both gulf wars, Afghanistan and the Baklands. in fact we have lost a solider every year sjnce WW2 so do me a favour and cut the small balls comments. Last time I checked the most successful terrorist attack ever happened in your homeland, its been over 10 years and these group's are still going strong.
There are still many great Brits remaining, including the military, but they are being overwhelmed by the left, their ***** media and he rise of Islam. The rest of western Europe is worse than the UK.
 
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Omg, that is what their ****ing press is calling Asian? Seriously? No wonder none of this makes sense. They wont even be honest about who and what they are dealing with.
That's it exactly, Lizzie. They seem to feel that hiding facts, while portraying Muslims as victims, will solve all their problems. You can see the effect of this strategy on many of these posters, as well as the guy who decapitated his neighbor.
 
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Based on what? History shows that living in tyranny is the fate of most of mankind. Appeasement sets the stage for longer, more deadly wars.

History shows an increase in human rights and freedom.
 
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What's more interesting is that Orwell was a left winger. Funny how Gardener quotes a left winger who fought against the fascists that now quote him
Leftists who don't care to read often make that claim. Perhaps you should actually read Orwell's work before making these calls.
 
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Ask all of the people who currently reside in Guantanimo Bay and other " black sites " whether they believe in US human rights promotion.

People in Gitmo are more free than they are as terrorists. Do you have any idea what kind of freedom one has as a terrorist? Answer: none.

Or the people held at Abu Ghraib during the Western occupation of Iraq

That was a crime, those responsible were prosecuted.


It's sad you cannot see the bigger picture. Just sad. But don't expect me to have sympathy for ignorance. Anyone that cannot look at the last few hundred years and see what's happening is too blind for geopolitical debate anyway.
 
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Is having an empire a good thing? At some point one needs to allow people to control their own destiny. Why SHOULN'T Indians have a say in what happens in India?

I do think a certain post-colonial malaise comes into play here, though. People have been so browbeaten into thinking any regard for their own culture is a sign of racism and the shortcomings of other cultures is all their fault that far too many have actually come to identify with the culture that wishes to destroy theirs. In a way, I am reminded of those silly white suburban kids in America who are low on intelligence and self esteem, but hungry for some sort of culture they can embrace, so they run around as if they are gangsta rappers. There is a certain rewards/punishment system that comes into play where there are such disincentives involved in embracing their own culture that they seek to emulate another -- one where they receive props from their peeps instead of condemnation.

I'm sure the same thing occurs in Britain, and is probably magnified by the colonial guilt in that when you take an uneducated teen low on intelligence and self esteem and create a climate where any regard for their own culture is taboo, they embrace the alternate culture they see around them. In this case, in order to act out, these immature people actually come to identify with Islamists, since that is the most dominant alternate culture around them. That is why they run around spouting terrorist talking points and calling people names if they don't join them -- it is really just their childish search for belonging.
This phenomenon has been repeated throughout history and we can still see remnants of that with the Che T-shirts and coffee mugs.

Osama bin laden had it right when he said people will always follow the stronger horse so if the horse is Nazism, Fascism, Communism or Islamism, many will follow along thinking they are joining the wave of the future into their brave new world. Those who fancy themselves to be 'progressives' really do believe in these movements, and of course leftists will follow anyone promoting 'change'..

The only upside of this is that they tend to remove themselves from the gene pool.
 
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About as frustrated as people are over our policies in the Middle East that have been beneficial to militant Islamic groups.
What really bolsters islamists are the self loathing leftists living freely in the democracies, and recreating history to portray themselves as the aggressor, despite all the evidence we can clearly see in front of us today. This has been going on for decades and Orwell, who has rightly been mentioned more than once for his insights into human behavior, knew a great deal on this subject. So did Hayek. Free people turning on themselves is not a recent phenomena.
 
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History shows an increase in human rights and freedom.

Not without a lot of sacrifices along the way. We can already see where obscuring the truth is being seen as a good thing, and protests against government lies being labeled as 'right wing' or Nazism". That's Orwellian as well.

Freedoms can be lost in chips and chunks and an all out war is often not necessary.
 
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