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    Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Your DNA doesn't change when you marry. Your spouse is not your ancestor. Her married name would matter if we were talking about her children, but we're not, and so it doesn't.


    Thus you regard all Chinese, Korans and Japanese as 'white'.


    She's Hispanic, not White, but if you want to blindly believe the report anyway then you should believe all of it, including this:

    Would you like to recant your rant about terrorism or your rant about ethnicity, you can't have it both ways without committing a logical fallacy.
    Jerry, It is possible to read reports critically. A black, drug dealing thug cuts the heads off a couple of cats and an old woman with a knife. The black thug is also a convert to Islam. Why would Scotland Yard confidently say it is not terrorism?

    It seems to me that someone in Scotland Yard is drinking on the job. How can they possibly know after a day or two?

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    Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

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    Apparently.
    I've come to expect it. Happens all the time.
    Education.

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    Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

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    Italians are now Hispanic?
    Italians always have been.

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    Is this true of everyone who lives near the mediterranean sea? Are the Lebanese Hispanic? The Greeks? The French? Moroccans? Algerians? Tunisians? Libyans? Egyptians? Albanians? The Turks? ...
    Where you live does not determine your ethnicity.

    And you're listing nationalities, not ethnicities.

    "Hispanic" denotes a relationship to Spain or Roman Hispania, which roughly comprised the Iberian Peninsula including the contemporary states of Andorra, Portugal, and Spain and the Crown Colony or British Overseas Territories of Gibraltar.

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    Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden[W:335]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    She is Hispanic. The media just misidentified her, and considering how wrong the media has been in reporting basic facts I think this misidentification is a minor one.
    She is not Hispanic. She is not of Spainish, Portugese, or south/central/Latin American heritage. Again- most Italians self-identify as white. Many of them are pale skinned with light hair. Just because she has dark hair and olive skin doesn't mean she is Hispanic.
    Now, pretend she is blue-eyed and blonde-haired. Does it really make any difference what her skin color or ethnic background is, when she got freaking beheaded?
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    Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Jerry, It is possible to read reports critically. A black, drug dealing thug cuts the heads off a couple of cats and an old woman with a knife. The black thug is also a convert to Islam. Why would Scotland Yard confidently say it is not terrorism?
    In the same way Jeffery Dahmer wasn't reigniting the crusades. He was Christian, you know, most cereal killers are.

    A terrorist is something specific. You will note that when real terrorists behead someone they are doing it in front of a camera and/or a large audience. Real terrorists aren't going out solo attacking whatever gets in their way. They're methodical and they kill for propaganda. This article didn't mention any video, a manifesto or anything. This guy was just a nut, the poster child for why Scotland needs to lift it's draconian ban on privately owned handguns.

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    Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden[W:335]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Does it really make any difference what her skin color or ethnic background is, when she got freaking beheaded?
    Of course not, you guys were already talking about her ethnicity when I got out of bed this evening and checked the "what's new" page of DebatePolitics.com. My first thought about this story and my first post in this thread had nothing to do with anyone's ethnicity. After making it I read the page I was on and jumped into the present conversation. It's what we do on this forum. I don't know why ethnicity is important to you but threads always drift from the topic a bit and this sort of thing is to be expected, so I jumped in. Vesper said she looked white, and gave a picture. Based on that picture she clearly is not white. Not even close.

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    Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Italians always have been.
    I do not believe that. What makes you believe it?

    Where you live does not determine your ethnicity.
    And yet you confidently claim she is Hispanic?

    And you're listing nationalities, not ethnicities.
    LOL. I seel Your claim that she was Hispanic seems a bit odd.

    "Hispanic" denotes a relationship to Spain or Roman Hispania, which roughly comprised the Iberian Peninsula including the contemporary states of Andorra, Portugal, and Spain and the Crown Colony or British Overseas Territories of Gibraltar.
    Which of those is Italy?

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    Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden[W:335]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Of course not, you guys were already talking about her ethnicity when I got out of bed this evening and checked the "what's new" page of DebatePolitics.com. My first thought about this story and my first post in this thread had nothing to do with anyone's ethnicity. After making it I read the page I was on and jumped into the present conversation. It's what we do on this forum. I don't know why ethnicity is important to you but threads always drift from the topic a bit and this sort of thing is to be expected, so I jumped in. Vesper said she looked white, and gave a picture. Based on that picture she clearly is not white. Not even close.
    Well frankly, I don't recall my saying anything at all about her color, until you identified her as Hispanic, when she is not, and if you can find that I did mention her color in any conversation which indicates I think it matters, I'd be interested in seeing it.
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    Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

    "erry, It is possible to read reports critically. A black, drug dealing thug cuts the heads off a couple of cats and an old woman with a knife. The black thug is also a convert to Islam. Why would Scotland Yard confidently say it is not terrorism?"
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    In the same way Jeffery Dahmer wasn't reigniting the crusades. He was Christian, you know, most cereal killers are.
    Cereal killers? As in Rice Crispies?

    A terrorist is something specific. You will note that when real terrorists behead someone they are doing it in front of a camera and/or a large audience. Real terrorists aren't going out solo attacking whatever gets in their way. They're methodical and they kill for propaganda. This article didn't mention any video, a manifesto or anything. This guy was just a nut, the poster child for why Scotland needs to lift it's draconian ban on privately owned handguns.
    Do you feel safer? Has there been publicity?
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    Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden[W:335]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Well frankly, I don't recall my saying anything at all about her color, until you identified her as Hispanic, when she is not, and if you can find that I did mention her color in any conversation which indicates I think it matters, I'd be interested in seeing it.
    If her ethnicity isn't important then it doesn't matter if I call her Hispanic. You wanted to correct me, which means her ethnicity is important to you regardless of the crime.

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