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    Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    What's more interesting is that Orwell was a left winger. Funny how Gardener quotes a left winger who fought against the fascists that now quote him
    Leftists who don't care to read often make that claim. Perhaps you should actually read Orwell's work before making these calls.

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    Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    Ask all of the people who currently reside in Guantanimo Bay and other " black sites " whether they believe in US human rights promotion.
    People in Gitmo are more free than they are as terrorists. Do you have any idea what kind of freedom one has as a terrorist? Answer: none.

    Or the people held at Abu Ghraib during the Western occupation of Iraq
    That was a crime, those responsible were prosecuted.


    It's sad you cannot see the bigger picture. Just sad. But don't expect me to have sympathy for ignorance. Anyone that cannot look at the last few hundred years and see what's happening is too blind for geopolitical debate anyway.

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    Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Is having an empire a good thing? At some point one needs to allow people to control their own destiny. Why SHOULN'T Indians have a say in what happens in India?

    I do think a certain post-colonial malaise comes into play here, though. People have been so browbeaten into thinking any regard for their own culture is a sign of racism and the shortcomings of other cultures is all their fault that far too many have actually come to identify with the culture that wishes to destroy theirs. In a way, I am reminded of those silly white suburban kids in America who are low on intelligence and self esteem, but hungry for some sort of culture they can embrace, so they run around as if they are gangsta rappers. There is a certain rewards/punishment system that comes into play where there are such disincentives involved in embracing their own culture that they seek to emulate another -- one where they receive props from their peeps instead of condemnation.

    I'm sure the same thing occurs in Britain, and is probably magnified by the colonial guilt in that when you take an uneducated teen low on intelligence and self esteem and create a climate where any regard for their own culture is taboo, they embrace the alternate culture they see around them. In this case, in order to act out, these immature people actually come to identify with Islamists, since that is the most dominant alternate culture around them. That is why they run around spouting terrorist talking points and calling people names if they don't join them -- it is really just their childish search for belonging.
    This phenomenon has been repeated throughout history and we can still see remnants of that with the Che T-shirts and coffee mugs.

    Osama bin laden had it right when he said people will always follow the stronger horse so if the horse is Nazism, Fascism, Communism or Islamism, many will follow along thinking they are joining the wave of the future into their brave new world. Those who fancy themselves to be 'progressives' really do believe in these movements, and of course leftists will follow anyone promoting 'change'..

    The only upside of this is that they tend to remove themselves from the gene pool.

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    Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    About as frustrated as people are over our policies in the Middle East that have been beneficial to militant Islamic groups.
    What really bolsters islamists are the self loathing leftists living freely in the democracies, and recreating history to portray themselves as the aggressor, despite all the evidence we can clearly see in front of us today. This has been going on for decades and Orwell, who has rightly been mentioned more than once for his insights into human behavior, knew a great deal on this subject. So did Hayek. Free people turning on themselves is not a recent phenomena.

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    Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    History shows an increase in human rights and freedom.
    Not without a lot of sacrifices along the way. We can already see where obscuring the truth is being seen as a good thing, and protests against government lies being labeled as 'right wing' or Nazism". That's Orwellian as well.

    Freedoms can be lost in chips and chunks and an all out war is often not necessary.

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    Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Not without a lot of sacrifices along the way.
    You want a cookie?

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    Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What really bolsters islamists are the self loathing leftists living freely in the democracies, and recreating history to portray themselves as the aggressor, despite all the evidence we can clearly see in front of us today. This has been going on for decades and Orwell, who has rightly been mentioned more than once for his insights into human behavior, knew a great deal on this subject. So did Hayek. Free people turning on themselves is not a recent phenomena.
    Too funny. Who is it that hates themselves?

    The wave of popular uprisings in North Africa and the Middle East that shook the region’s autocratic regimes in 2011 and 2012 gave rise to an unjustified euphoria in many Western media outlets and governments about an “Arab Spring”—a misnomer motivated by wishful thinking. Just under two years later, the picture is not so rosy.
    While the overthrow of authoritarian regimes can give democracy a chance to bloom, in many countries it has also created opportunities for a wide spectrum of Islamist parties to exploit elections to advance their undemocratic agendas. Islamist insurgents and terrorist organizations also are well positioned to expand their influence amid the political instability that has emerged in many countries. After nearly two years of unrest, the Middle East has become an even more volatile and hostile strategic environment in which regional security, U.S. national interests, and Western values are increasingly under attack.

    http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...-for-us-policy
    Last edited by Montecresto; 09-07-14 at 12:56 PM.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    We lost our empire because we got bled dry fighting the Nazis for 6 years. Worth pointing out as well we have fought in Korea, the Falklands, both gulf wars, Afghanistan and the Baklands. in fact we have lost a solider every year sjnce WW2 so do me a favour and cut the small balls comments. Last time I checked the most successful terrorist attack ever happened in your homeland, its been over 10 years and these group's are still going strong.
    The English certainly had what it took at one time. Your military is fine. It is the people who have lost their testicles.
    Let's see what happens this time. England looks more like Turkey and less like England. You and your politicians lack the will to stop the suicide of the nation.

    You are not alone. We are only a few years behind you.

    We were attacked because we posed a threat to Islamofascism. Today we have an Islamofascist Supporter who spends his time partying, vacationing, fund raising, and golfing. He did find the time to approve swapping five Islamofascist generals for one American deserter. While I criticise England for its failure I do so as a friend. I consider the centers of western culture to be the Greeks, the Romans, the British, and now the Americans. Each has failed in its turn due to a loss of will.

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    Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    About as frustrated as people are over our policies in the Middle East that have been beneficial to militant Islamic groups.
    Explain please.

    Are you referring to the Islamofascist Supporter on the golf course decision to declare victory and leave Iraq? If so I agree. Had the Islamofascist Supporter not deserted ISIS would be contained within Syria. And none of us would care. But Obama, an Islamofascist Supporter, was funneling weapons and support equipment to ISIS from Libya, wasn't he? That is why he prevented the defense of the temporary consulate in Benghazi and allowed more Americans to be needlessly murdered.

    A woman had her head sawn off by an Islamist in Great Britain. And you defend this barbarous act by arguing that we deserve it. Your real name is not Reverend Wright, is it?

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    Re: Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Too funny. Who is it that hates themselves?
    I believe that many on the Left loath their own countries.

    The wave of popular uprisings in North Africa and the Middle East that shook the region’s autocratic regimes in 2011 and 2012 gave rise to an unjustified euphoria in many Western media outlets and governments about an “Arab Spring”—a misnomer motivated by wishful thinking.
    What do they have in common? All, or nearly all, were supported by the Islamofascist Supporter on the golf course, and his toadies in government and in the media. The Islamofascist Supporter abandoned friends and allies while encouraging our enemies.

    Just under two years later, the picture is not so rosy.
    Nor was it rosy then.

    While the overthrow of authoritarian regimes can give democracy a chance to bloom, in many countries it has also created opportunities for a wide spectrum of Islamist parties to exploit elections to advance their undemocratic agendas. Islamist insurgents and terrorist organizations also are well positioned to expand their influence amid the political instability that has emerged in many countries.
    So the Islamofascist Supporter got his way. His Islamofascist friends are sawing off heads in foreign countries while their allies work in our government.

    After nearly two years of unrest, the Middle East has become an even more volatile and hostile strategic environment in which regional security, U.S. national interests, and Western values are increasingly under attack.
    And while the world burns the Islamofascist Supporter continues to slash our military strength. He has done more damage to this nation in his six years than the Soviets were able to do between WWII and their fall.

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