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Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack [W:222]

Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

I guess you just ignored this:

QUESTION: It has been suggested that budget cuts were responsible for a lack of security in Benghazi. And I'd like to ask Ms. Lamb, you made this decision personally. Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?

DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE CHARLENE LAMB: No, sir.

Barbara Boxer’s claim that GOP budgets hampered Benghazi security - The Washington Post

So is that all you got Moot?

It's certainly far and away enough to show the American people what Hypocrites the people are you defend.
When you have to moan and groan about Benghazi, using American death overseas in despicable campaign ads,
yet forgetting the 4,500 soldiers sent to an early death by the ones you defend,
and then use ISIS beheadings in campaign ads, it shows the true Nature of who the Enemies of the USA are at home .
 
Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

It's certainly far and away enough to show the American people what Hypocrites the people are you defend.
When you have to moan and groan about Benghazi, using American death overseas in despicable campaign ads,
yet forgetting the 4,500 soldiers sent to an early death by the ones you defend,
and then use ISIS beheadings in campaign ads, it shows the true Nature of who the Enemies of the USA are at home .


Yes...It is usually progressives hiding behind the moderate moniker....;)
 
Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

First, Chaffetz voted to cut funding for embassy security.....


"...Chaffetz himself has been criticized for politicizing the Benghazi incident, acknowledging in an interview with CNN anchor Soledad O'Brien that he had "voted to cut the funding for embassy security" and that House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds allocated to the State Department for embassy security since winning the majority in 2010. "Absolutely," Chaffetz said. "Look we have to make priorities and choices in this country."..."

Jason Chaffetz Admits House GOP Cut Funding For Embassy Security: 'You Have To Prioritize Things'


After the attacks, Chaffetz calls for hearing on Benghazi security....

Congressmen Call Hearing On Libya Security Measures - US News


During the hearing, Chaffetz exposes the entire CIA operation in Benghazi on TV and put hundreds of lives at risk and ruined any chance for diplomatic presence in Libya....

Dana Milbank: Letting us in on a secret - The Washington Post




Chaffetz would look lovely in an orange jumpsuit, don't you agree? I mean really, who needs enemies when we have republican congressmen?



Nah.....first was this


◾There were no protesters at the Benghazi consulate prior to the attack, even though Obama and others repeatedly said the attackers joined an angry mob that had formed in opposition to the anti-Muslim film that had triggered protests in Egypt and elsewhere. The State Department disclosed this fact Oct. 9 — nearly a month after the attack.

◾Libya President Mohamed Magariaf insisted on Sept. 16 — five days after the attack — that it was a planned terrorist attack, but administration officials continued for days later to say there was no evidence of a planned attack.◾Magariaf also said the idea that the attack was a “spontaneous protest that just spun out of control is completely unfounded and preposterous.” This, too, was on Sept. 16. Yet, Obama and others continued to describe the incident in exactly those terms — including during the president’s Sept. 18 appearance on the “Late Show With David Letterman.”.....snip~

Benghazi Timeline
 
Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

I guess you just ignored this:

QUESTION: It has been suggested that budget cuts were responsible for a lack of security in Benghazi. And I'd like to ask Ms. Lamb, you made this decision personally. Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?

DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE CHARLENE LAMB: No, sir.

Barbara Boxer’s claim that GOP budgets hampered Benghazi security - The Washington Post

So is that all you got Moot?
I've got Chaffetz on record saying that funding for embassy security was not a priority. I also have Chaffetz exposing the entire CIA operation in Benghazi on national TV....maps and all....during a hearing on security no less. There are people rotting in Gitmo for doing less.

All you've got are talking points. :cool:
 
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I don't know whether we knew the motives of unknown attackers from day one or not. Seems to me unlikely since without knowing WHO did it

Uh. We did.

We also know that the attackers used a combined arms approach and a focus of effort that demonstrated impressive intelligence preparation of the battlespace - the kind of thing that takes some serious time and preparation, not the kind of thing you throw together at the last minute as part of a protest.

That's first. Second, the fact is it was CIA outposts attacked, doing spook work, that we still don't fully understand as a public. Petraeus wanted the CIA role in those facilities hidden enough that he skipped the memorial for his own dead employees. The point is my guess, and it's only a guess, is that the attacks weren't 'terrorism' but were more akin to an act of war, where our facilities were attacked because of what our spooks were doing in Benghazi.

:shrug: if you want to get technical with definitions you could argue the semantics of that. Regardless was an attack by an Islamist Militant Group against the United States of America, an attack that had been planned for some time and which was carried out successfully. And whether you want to define "terrorism" in such a way to include it or not, it wasn't a youtube video and we knew that at the time.

If that's the case and it seems more likely than some random 'terrorists' planned a "terrorist attack" against the U.S. for no particular reason other than they were "U.S. faclities" then the ONLY honest explanation is something like: "We had the CIA in Benghazi doing X ___________________ (and then lay that out in detail) and the bad guys in the area found out and attacked the people doing X to force them to quit doing X."

....wait. You think that the only reason that Islamist militant groups attack Western interests is because the CIA is working out of a consulate in Benghazi?

No, dude. The only excuse these people need is availability.

So what could the spies and intelligence people say in the days and weeks afterward that was NOT a lie? Nothing really. At best they say, "We have no dang idea what it was or why." Or maybe just blame it on random "terrorist. " But "we don't know why" or "random attack.." are just as big of lies as blaming it on the video, just different.

No one is suggesting that we ever thought it was random. Random terrorism is rather rare. Usually targets are selected for a purpose. In this case, because it was American and because they hoped to kill the Ambassador and likely because they hoped to get access to the SCIF.
 
Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

Since you can't debunk anything I say, you run to the "shoot the moderate moniker" meme.

As long as your team continues to use American death overseas in campaign ads,

As long as your team continues to cut the President off at the knees when Obama is overseas,

As long as your team continues to remain MUTE on Putin except to cheer for how strong he is,

You are summarily dismissed as someone not interested in the well-being of our overseas people as long as Obama is President .

Yes...It is usually progressives hiding behind the moderate moniker....;)
 
I'm not disputing that, in hindsight, the attack appears to have been pre-meditated. [...]
I'm going to retract that; too much conflicting information:

From MMC's FactCheck link:
Oct. 15 [2012]: The New York Times reports that the Benghazi attack came “without any warning or protest,” but “Libyans who witnessed the assault and know the attackers” say it was “in retaliation for the video.”

[9-13-2012] AL-SHALCHI: In Benghazi at the consulate, the consulate is now not secure at all, like, you can walk in and out of it. And people all day yesterday were doing that. They would come, sort of take a stroll inside the grounds, you know, take pictures and little videos of the damage.

The majority of those people said two things. They said, first of all, why did the United States allow something like this movie to happen? Because at the end of the day, almost everybody here believes that it was a reaction to the movie that - and they believe that the United States had a responsibility to stop the production or...

INSKEEP: This is a film that was spreading on the Internet that was seen as insulting the Prophet Muhammad. Go on.

AL-SHALCHI: Exactly. And so they said, why did this happen? But in the next breath, they say: But we don't condone this kind of thing. There are civilized ways to show and express our anger, and this is not one of them. This should never have happened.

How Benghazi Is Reacting To The Deadly Attacks : NPR

Al Jazeera producer Suleiman El Dressi said:
Ambassador and three staff killed during attack in eastern Libya city over film deemed insulting by Muslims. Last Modified: 12 Sep 2012 18:20

About 11:30 PM, a group of people calling themselves as "Islamic law supporters" heard the news that there will be an American movie insulting the Prophet Mohammed. Once they heard this news they came out of their military garrison and they went into the street calling [unintelligible] to gather and go ahead and attack the American consulate in Benghazi.

[effective dead link -- story has been edited, statement above removed]

(AP) By PAUL SCHEMM and MAGGIE MICHAEL — Oct. 27, 2012 6:08 PM EDT

There was no sign of a spontaneous protest against an American-made movie denigrating Islam's Prophet Muhammad. But a lawyer passing by the scene said he saw the militants gathering around 20 youths from nearby to chant against the film. Within an hour or so, the assault began, guns blazing as the militants blasted into the compound.

One of the consulate's private Libyan guards said masked militants grabbed him and beat him, one of them calling him "an infidel protecting infidels who insulted the prophet."

The witness accounts gathered by The Associated Press give a from-the-ground perspective for the sharply partisan debate in the U.S. over the attack that left U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans dead. They corroborate the conclusion largely reached by American officials that it was a planned militant assault. But they also suggest the militants may have used the film controversy as a cover for the attack. [...] A day after the Benghazi attack, an unidentified Ansar al-Shariah spokesman said the militia was not involved "as an organization" -- leaving open the possibility members were involved. He praised the attack as a popular "uprising" sparked by the anti-Islam film, further propagating the image of a mob attack against the consulate. So far, the attackers' motives can only be speculated at.

Libyan witnesses recount organized Benghazi attack
 
I don't know whether we knew the motives of unknown attackers from day one or not. Seems to me unlikely since without knowing WHO did it, guessing WHY would have been just that - a guess. The big problem seems to be that the initial speculation - and it was labeled speculation, subject to investigation, etc. etc. - was wrong and they didn't walk that back for a matter of weeks. Sorry, but that just doesn't seem to me to rise to the level of conspiracy or anything close to it. This isn't Watergate where Nixon went months, fired people, hindered the investigation, etc. to bury a story. It's not Iran-Contra, where multiple officials committed perjury, obvious perjury, under oath. We're talking about the MOTIVES of terrorists whose identity was unknown to us at that time.

That's first. Second, the fact is it was CIA outposts attacked, doing spook work, that we still don't fully understand as a public. Petraeus wanted the CIA role in those facilities hidden enough that he skipped the memorial for his own dead employees. The point is my guess, and it's only a guess, is that the attacks weren't 'terrorism' but were more akin to an act of war, where our facilities were attacked because of what our spooks were doing in Benghazi. If that's the case and it seems more likely than some random 'terrorists' planned a "terrorist attack" against the U.S. for no particular reason other than they were "U.S. faclities" then the ONLY honest explanation is something like: "We had the CIA in Benghazi doing X ___________________ (and then lay that out in detail) and the bad guys in the area found out and attacked the people doing X to force them to quit doing X." Well, that's not going to happen and everyone knows it.

So what could the spies and intelligence people say in the days and weeks afterward that was NOT a lie? Nothing really. At best they say, "We have no dang idea what it was or why." Or maybe just blame it on random "terrorist. " But "we don't know why" or "random attack.." are just as big of lies as blaming it on the video, just different.



I have seen very little, if any talk of "conspiracy"...but rather a politicizing of a crisis/tragedy that claimed the unavenged life of a life long servant to his country.

and it was labeled speculation,
If that is true, it wasn't enough at the time, Obama's comments were very clear about the video and very vague on "terrorism."

was wrong and they didn't walk that back for a matter of weeks
is absolutely correct and the pillar on which suspicion stands...you neglect to mention this was an election campaign in which the meme reason to vote for him again was GM saved, Osama dead, and Al Qaeda running scared. "I killed Osama" did not fit with the assassination of a life long servant of his country, which deserved a little more than a promise of an FBI investigation that never happened.

Those facts, coupled with the fact we now know that Obama was campaigning on clearly documented lie, captured in the forever through his beloved social media more than 40 times create more than a healthy suspicion, but begin to draw a line of deceit and cover up ....which is why...
we still don't fully understand as a public
is true.

And we don't, likely never will, because the same White House that lied to get elected has been insisting Benghaz was "old news", "nothing there" and "A Republican witch hunt."

If you won't open the files, then being doubted is natural. Lying on top of is kind of confirms the base for deep suspicion, and continuing to hide pretty much seals the deal. Having been a journalist through both the Nixon and Clinton eras and know that it is true, history repeats itself when you don't learn from it.

Obviously the Obama White House and its excusers have not.
 
[...] There is a forum here for that kind of debate if you're interested. I'm not. Others are. Have at it.
All debate is that kind of debate. Anything else is yelling at each other like lunatics, if you're interested in that. I'm not.
 
Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

I've got Chaffetz on record saying that funding for embassy security was not a priority. I also have Chaffetz exposing the entire CIA operation in Benghazi on national TV....maps and all....during a hearing on security no less. There are people rotting in Gitmo for doing less.

All you've got are talking points. :cool:


And I have Hillary and State Dept hiring Ansar al Sharia for Security with regards to Benghazi. People have been shot and hanged for collaborating with the Enemy.

So much for talking points. :lamo
 
Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

I've got Chaffetz on record saying that funding for embassy security was not a priority. I also have Chaffetz exposing the entire CIA operation in Benghazi on national TV....maps and all....during a hearing on security no less. There are people rotting in Gitmo for doing less.

All you've got are talking points. :cool:

Actually all I've seen from this guy is to attack someone's lean while remaining MUTE to the egregious crimes against humanity by ISIS and Putin.
Americans are tired of GOP wars through Lies and Deception.
They support the No Drama Obama doctrine, as he walks softly and carries an awfully big stick.

And they support not telling GOP leakers of intel BEFORE Obama bombs these terrorists back to the Hell where they belong .
 
[...] [1] Looks like they didn't ask the guys on site.
[2] And there were no similar events anywhere else. No CIA annex attacked ... no ambassadors killed ... no consulates sacked.
1. The guys on site you are referring to are grunts; they're not expected to know anything and they probably don't even speak the language (so how would they know anything?).

2. You don't know there were protests in neighboring Egypt hours earlier where the embassy flag was torn down? And other countries? Are you not reading the posts and the links? Really? :roll:
 
Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

I've got Chaffetz on record saying that funding for embassy security was not a priority. I also have Chaffetz exposing the entire CIA operation in Benghazi on national TV....maps and all....during a hearing on security no less. There are people rotting in Gitmo for doing less.

All you've got are talking points. :cool:

Talking points? It was a direct question asked of the person in charge of security of the embassy, and consulate...And she said the funding had NO bearing on the security there....If talking points are what you are worried about, then maybe you should stop using them.....

I post again so that you can read it again:

QUESTION: It has been suggested that budget cuts were responsible for a lack of security in Benghazi. And I'd like to ask Ms. Lamb, you made this decision personally. Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?

DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE CHARLENE LAMB: No, sir.
 
Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

And I have Hillary and State Dept hiring Ansar al Sharia for Security with regards to Benghazi. People have been shot and hanged for collaborating with the Enemy.

So much for talking points. :lamo

And you continue to play politics with american death overseas.
The GOPs absolutely disastrous week in election politics is due solely to your team's Negative approach to everything.
This is no longer 1972 and America has rejected the Nixon playbook .
 
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Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

Since you can't debunk anything I say, you run to the "shoot the moderate moniker" meme.

As long as your team continues to use American death overseas in campaign ads,

As long as your team continues to cut the President off at the knees when Obama is overseas,

As long as your team continues to remain MUTE on Putin except to cheer for how strong he is,

You are summarily dismissed as someone not interested in the well-being of our overseas people as long as Obama is President .

Anyone else find this hilarious coming from a lefty?
 
Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

Since you can't debunk anything I say, you run to the "shoot the moderate moniker" meme.

As long as your team continues to use American death overseas in campaign ads,

As long as your team continues to cut the President off at the knees when Obama is overseas,

As long as your team continues to remain MUTE on Putin except to cheer for how strong he is,

You are summarily dismissed as someone not interested in the well-being of our overseas people as long as Obama is President .

Team? I thought this was no longer red America, no longer blue America, just America.....? Guess not.
 
Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

Anyone else find this hilarious coming from a lefty?
Another rightie who can't debunk whaqt I said so they attack a poster's lean.
I'm much further to the correct on defense than someone like you who plays politics with our soldiers and american death .
 
:shrug: you are free to say so. You are also free to check with any of the members here who have known me for more than a decade at this point [...]
For the purposes of debate, who you are doesn't matter. I'm sorry :shrug:
 
Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

As soon as you start acting like that, with the Red team more aligned with Obama than Putin, than I'll recant what I said.
I won't need to worry about that for the next 58 days though before the election.

And you and your team will not know Obama's strategy until AFTER the fact, something that your lame warhawks just can't deal with .
Team? I thought this was no longer red America, no longer blue America, just America.....? Guess not.
 
I'm going to retract that; too much conflicting information:

From MMC's FactCheck link:


Here let me help you with that some more.....as this date showed it for what it was after the 15th of Oct.

Benghazi US consulate attack: Timeline
16 November 2012 Last updated at 11:23 ET

BBC News - Benghazi US consulate attack: Timeline




Sept. 11: The Attack

2:30 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time (8:30 p.m. Benghazi time): U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens steps outside the consulate to say goodbye to a Turkish diplomat. There are no protesters at this time. (“Everything is calm at 8:30,” a State Department official would later say at an Oct. 9 background briefing for reporters. “There’s nothing unusual. There has been nothing unusual during the day at all outside.”)

3 p.m.: Ambassador Stevens retires to his bedroom for the evening. (See Oct. 9 briefing.)

Approximately 3:40 p.m. A security agent at the Benghazi compound hears “loud noises” coming from the front gate and “gunfire and an explosion.” A senior State Department official at the Oct. 9 briefing says that “the camera on the main gate reveals a large number of people – a large number of men, armed men, flowing into the compound.”

Benghazi Timeline
 
For the purposes of debate, who you are doesn't matter. I'm sorry :shrug:

:shrug: you accused me of coming to believe in a conspiracy theory, namely coming to believe in the conspiracy theory that the Administration had chosen to lie about the Benghazi attacks. Given that the specific topic therefore is my understanding of these events, and given that my understanding of those events stem from the fact that I follow things like this professionally, who I am does indeed have relevancy :).
 
Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

Another rightie who can't debunk whaqt I said so they attack a poster's lean.

The Left went (and, this is the technical term) bonkers in the second Bush administration. When Boehner goes to Syria to pursue a separate foreign policy path, let me know.

I'm much further to the correct on defense than someone like you who plays politics with our soldiers and american death .

:shrug: I'm not aware of anyone on the right trying to "play politics" with the four dead. I see lots of people who are rather intent on the fact that the Administration should not have lied about them. If anyone chose to "politicize" these deaths, it was the administration who chose to react to them in the context of the 2012 Presidential election.
 
Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

Actually all I've seen from this guy is to attack someone's lean while remaining MUTE to the egregious crimes against humanity by ISIS and Putin.

Yeah? What's Obama, or as someone else put it earlier in another thread "Oblabla" (snicker) doing about ISIS, or Putin? In both cases he is seen as a weak little bitch.

Americans are tired of GOP wars through Lies and Deception.

Oh, you mean like the Libya war through lies and deception? Or, the mission creep of putting actual boots back on the ground in Iraq today that he is not telling anyone about? When did Obama become GOP?

They support the No Drama Obama doctrine, as he walks softly and carries an awfully big stick.

The only 'big stick' Obama is carrying is his **** in his hand while he ponders the next round of golf.

And they support not telling GOP leakers of intel BEFORE Obama bombs these terrorists back to the Hell where they belong .

Ah yes...Isn't there an aspirin factory he can hit?
 
Here let me help you with that some more.....as this date showed it for what it was after the 15th of Oct. [...]
That refutes nothing that I posted. It does, however, waste time so you were successful there.
 
Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

And you continue to play politics with american death overseas.
The GOPs absolutely disastrous week in election politics is due solely to your team's Negative approach to everything.
This is no longer 1972 and America has rejected the Nixon playbook .


Try again Nimby....showing the facts for what it is.....is hardly playing politics. Perhaps you should mention that to Team BO since they thought they could play. Then downplay.....then deflect.....then lie. Just sayin.
 
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