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Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack [W:222]

Is the right-wing still griping about Benghazi? I thought that was old news by now.
 
Slyfox696 said:
No, those are the words some underlings claim were used, two years after it happened, around the same time a book is coming out about it.

So? I never served, but even I know if a fool rushes into a battle unprepared, then said fool becomes a dead fool.
And I believe there has been countless investigations and countless documents handed over to Congressional investigations and if the biggest feather Benghazi conspiracy theorists have in their cap is a local CIA commander told them to his underlings to wait before heading out because he was trying to coordinate and get more information, then the desperation is incredibly thick.
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The underlings are the ones who were there.
 
jonny5 said:
You thought wrong. Do you have something constructive to contribute?
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You don't need to concern yourself about what I contribute. Read my posting and if you don't think what I say is important, don't respond.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I think it's funny how a supposed "hold just a minute until I get better information before we go" has been turned into a "stand down". The desperation is thick.
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Which NO ONE in the article said.

In a statement to Fox News, a senior intelligence official did allow that the security team was delayed from responding while the CIA’s top officer in Benghazi tried to rally local support.
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This was the only reason given in the link.
 
MMC said:
I have already highlighted what was meant.....now you were the one that said this was nothing new.

So JB produce the link that shows this is old news. That this didn't get released yesterday? Do you have that Link JB?

Where is the link showing this is OLD NEWS. Either you can run to the Benghazi threads and shows us. Or you can google it up.

Now do you or don't you have this link?
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i never said it was not something new
i asked what does it add to what we already knew about the benghazi incident
nothing that i have read, and nothing that you have been able/willing to share (after numerous requests to tell us how this 'new' information shapes the understanding of benghazi in any way)
that you have been unable to offer such insights allows me to conclude this is as beneficial to our understanding as to learn 'new' information that one of the participants was wearing khakis instead of blue jeans
 
Texmex said:
OK, then respond with gibberish or whatever floats your boat.
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It might be better to watch the program, read the book, and follow the inquiry this fall to see what really happened.

It seems clear that some people still believe Barrack Obama, Susan Rice and the what difference does it make now excuse and will continue to believe no matter what evidence comes up.
 
jonny5 said:
The underlings are the ones who were there.
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So was "Bob". Has "Bob" said he used those words? And are Benghazi conspiracy theorists REALLY hanging their hat on what phrase Bob used, despite the fact we know we DID send assistance to the consulate?

Like I said...desperation.
American said:
Which NO ONE in the article said.


This was the only reason given in the link.
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...so he wasn't looking for information regarding whether or not Libyan support would take care of it?

The desperation is thick.
 
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Anthony60 said:
No,
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Right, she wasn't. So claiming she was is dishonest.
 
jonny5 said:
That the narrative that the White House has been putting forth is, at best, missing context. At worse, intentionally deceptive.
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The whole story linking the attack to a video was a lie from the start. I don't thnk anybody honestly doubts this. But I don't really think the scandal runs any deeper than that. This administration is incompetent not corrupt.
 
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CalGun said:
It's 3 AM and the phone rings......sorry the loser in charge needs his sleep call back in the morning
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Hmm. Also strangely absent from any sort of response was the SoS. She didn't answer that 3 AM phone call either. Guess she can't run that ad again this time around (if she runs).
 
justabubba said:
i never said it was not something new
i asked what does it add to what we already knew about the benghazi incident
nothing that i have read, and nothing that you have been able/willing to share (after numerous requests to tell us how this 'new' information shapes the understanding of benghazi in any way)
that you have been unable to offer such insights allows me to conclude this is as beneficial to our understanding as to learn 'new' information that one of the participants was wearing khakis instead of blue jeans
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Here is how simple it is JB. From J5's link and I even Highlighted it for you. Now who was the First Responders JB? What was everyone told who it was? Who Died with Stevens? It Adds that 3 CIA Ops were in communication with each other that no one.....That's No One...... Knew, Up until this point now.

Speaking out publicly for the first time, the three were security operators at the secret CIA annex in Benghazi – in effect, the first-responders to any attack on the diplomatic compound.....snip~

Also JB, I gave you a major clue with that bit on who has suffered any Consequences for Hiring Ansar Al Sharia as Security for Benghazi. Did you want to try and say Team BO/State Dept didn't hire Ansar al Sharia? Oh and I have shown quite a bit in the Benghazi threads.....that you and those lefties didn't even have a clue about. So save the BS on the info out about Benghazi and all that which you can't figure out.
 
Slyfox696 said:
So was "Bob". Has "Bob" said he used those words? And are Benghazi conspiracy theorists REALLY hanging their hat on what phrase Bob used, despite the fact we know we DID send assistance to the consulate?

Like I said...desperation.
...so he wasn't looking for information regarding whether or not Libyan support would take care of it?

The desperation is thick.
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Valid questions. WHy dont we have answers?
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
He's making the same claim, and the released latest benghazi hearings also back up this fact.
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With the amount of propaganda you like to spew you'd think you'd at least have the courtesy to read what other people post.

What this story is asserting: That the security team at the CIA Annex, which was a few miles away, were told to "stand down" by the lead individual at the annex when they were requesting to aid the embassy. Eventually they disobeyed the order 30 minutes after the initial order to stand down was placed.

What the politifact article is asserting: That a 4 person in Tripoli, an hour flight away, and were told to "stand down" because the individuals in Benghazi were already dead when the decision whether or not to send the team was made.

These are two entirely different issues.
 
Fletch said:
The whole story linking the attack to a video was a lie from the start. I don't thnk anybody honestly doubts this. But I don't really think the scandal runs any deeper than that. This administration is incompetent not corrupt.
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Its all politics. If the admin was intentionally trying to mislead the voters, they need to know that. That goes for any party and any incident. Democrats have been saying there was no stand down order. They are either wrong or being intentionally dishonest, which will affect how people vote. Do you want dishonest people representing you or honest people (by which I dont mean Republicans).
 
jonny5 said:
Valid questions. WHy dont we have answers?
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Why does it matter? We know what happened and we know why. Is it really necessary to find out if "Bob" said "hold up just a second while I get more information" or if he said "stand down" when we know the intent was the same? Are we really wasting time about specific words?
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Democrats have been saying there was no stand down order.
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When you say "Democrats" what you really mean is "multiple Congressional investigations led by Republicans". Right?


By the way, do you really not understand the difference between the White House giving a stand down order (which was the initial charge and the one Republicans were trying to turn into a scandal) and a leader on the ground telling his guys to wait a second to find out more information?

Desperation...
 
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Zyphlin said:
With the amount of propaganda you like to spew you'd think you'd at least have the courtesy to read what other people post.

What this story is asserting: That the security team at the CIA Annex, which was a few miles away, were told to "stand down" by the lead individual at the annex when they were requesting to aid the embassy. Eventually they disobeyed the order 30 minutes after the initial order to stand down was placed.

What the politifact article is asserting: That a 4 person in Tripoli, an hour flight away, and were told to "stand down" because the individuals in Benghazi were already dead when the decision whether or not to send the team was made.

These are two entirely different issues.
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Very true, and both seem to be disproven. There delay in both cases, contrary to admin claims.
 
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Anthony60 said:
No, she was playing a little game, and taking a chance. She was trying to whitewash the entire hearing away by making that statement. It was a bit of political showmanship, and it backfired on her.

She was hoping to look like the bigger, caring person (Yeah, Hillary cares, LOL) and try to make the republicans look like the ones doing wrong. "Oh, please, just let them rest in peace. Why must we dwell on this terrible attack anymore, you bad people?" That's what she was trying to present. Didn't quite work out that way, she came off more as Cruella de Vil than a Florence Nightingale.
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Clearly you never actually watched that conversation. Do so, then try to talk about it.
 
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Objective Voice said:
I'll add to the above by saying the OP article does NOT say there was an official stand-down order given from officials at the White House, the State Department, CIA HQ or DoD. From the article, that order came directly from "Bob", their on-scene commander/supervisor. When asked where the alleged "stand-down order" came from, Paronto, one of the CIA operatives questioned, answered by saying, “It happened on the ground-- all I can talk about is what happened on that ground that night."

So, what you have here is the 3 CIA operatives asked to engage the enemy but NO RESPONSE was ever given from U.S. officials state-side. As such, they acted on their own WITHOUT ANY OFFICIAL ORDERS FROM CIA HQ or anyone else way or another except from their immediate superior on the ground.
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(Note: Original post was edited as indicated in bold after being quoted by Apacherat (See his post #11))

APACHERAT said:
Today Fox News just showed a teaser for what will be aired tomorrow night (Friday 10: PM eastern time)

So far the two CIA security ops say they were ordered to stand down after the top CIA officer got off the phone speaking to ???

Both of these CIA individuals said if they weren't ordered to stand down that they believe all four Americans who were killed that night would still be alive today.

And that it had nothing to do with a video on You Tube.
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So, again, as I stated in my edited post, there was no official stand-down order given from officials at the White House, the State Department, CIA HQ or DoD. The only person who prevented the 3 CIA operatives from engaging the enemy was their immediate supervisor on-site on the ground calling the shots as he saw them unfolding on the scene. To suggest that his order was an "official" directive given as if it were directly from the CIA, State Department, DoD or the White House is very disingenuous.
 
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