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    Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack [W:222]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It is frustrating.
    Meh.....I don't mind showing their deflections, spin, and confusion for what it is. Just sayin!

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    Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack [W:222]

    I know you know what I am talking about so quit trying to spin it to someone might get killed. There is no reason to send 3 more men to die if it would not do any good. i know it is a right wing meme now, but you would not order meaningless meaningless death of your men either.
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    Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack [W:222]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I know you know what I am talking about so quit trying to spin it to someone might get killed. There is no reason to send 3 more men to die if it would not do any good. i know it is a right wing meme now, but you would not order meaningless meaningless death of your men either.
    Well your perspective was put in check.....perhaps you should look into how many CIA Ops were in the area. That way the Number 3 wont throw you for a loop.

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    Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack [W:222]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Uh. We did.
    We knew who did it? That's news to me....

    We also know that the attackers used a combined arms approach and a focus of effort that demonstrated impressive intelligence preparation of the battlespace - the kind of thing that takes some serious time and preparation, not the kind of thing you throw together at the last minute as part of a protest.
    I don't believe it was part of a protest.


    if you want to get technical with definitions you could argue the semantics of that. Regardless was an attack by an Islamist Militant Group against the United States of America, an attack that had been planned for some time and which was carried out successfully. And whether you want to define "terrorism" in such a way to include it or not, it wasn't a youtube video and we knew that at the time.
    So the idea here is it was planned, but otherwise random and not in response to CIA activities, but because we had facilities there and that's reason enough. And the big scandal here is that the terrorist attack wasn't a random attack in response to a video, but a random attack in response to nothing at all but that there were Americans in some buildings and so were attacked. Ever since this whole thing started, I have yet to figure out why my give a damn meter should ever tick off about 2 on a 10 point scale.

    ....wait. You think that the only reason that Islamist militant groups attack Western interests is because the CIA is working out of a consulate in Benghazi?

    No, dude. The only excuse these people need is availability.
    You must have misread my comment - I obviously don't think that the ONLY reason we could be attacked is for spy activities. Heck, on that day, other facilities around the world were also attacked, and it's unlikely those attacks had anything to do with Benghazi....

    No one is suggesting that we ever thought it was random. Random terrorism is rather rare. Usually targets are selected for a purpose. In this case, because it was American and because they hoped to kill the Ambassador and likely because they hoped to get access to the SCIF.
    You know they hoped to kill the Ambassador how? He wasn't stationed there, so any speculation he was the target is just that. Or at least I've not seen any evidence the attackers knew the Ambassador would be making a visit there, that day, at that time.

    And if it was to get access to the "Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility" ( I assume that's what you meant) then you're making my point. The admin can't say that's the reason because the world wasn't supposed to know those facilities were CIA outposts doing spook stuff - which is why Petraeus was a no show at the memorial. Do you expect the various agencies to sign off on talking points that blow a CIA operation in the immediate aftermath of an attack? Question 2 is "what the hell was CIA doing in Benghazi?" which was and still is presumably classified information. And if the Admin knew that was the reason for the attack and then blamed it on a random attack , it's also a lie, just a different one. Which is my point. You're effectively demanding that they tell a BETTER lie or a DIFFERENT lie, in the immediate aftermath of an attack.

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    Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack [W:222]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I know you know what I am talking about so quit trying to spin it to someone might get killed. There is no reason to send 3 more men to die if it would not do any good. i know it is a right wing meme now, but you would not order meaningless meaningless death of your men either.
    I do know what you're talkng about. You just said it again.

    Anytime someone puts their life on the line for a comrade, it isn't meaningless! You're a Marine! You know better!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack [W:222]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    We knew who did it? That's news to me....



    I don't believe it was part of a protest.




    So the idea here is it was planned, but otherwise random and not in response to CIA activities, but because we had facilities there and that's reason enough. And the big scandal here is that the terrorist attack wasn't a random attack in response to a video, but a random attack in response to nothing at all but that there were Americans in some buildings and so were attacked. Ever since this whole thing started, I have yet to figure out why my give a damn meter should ever tick off about 2 on a 10 point scale.



    You must have misread my comment - I obviously don't think that the ONLY reason we could be attacked is for spy activities. Heck, on that day, other facilities around the world were also attacked, and it's unlikely those attacks had anything to do with Benghazi....



    You know they hoped to kill the Ambassador how? He wasn't stationed there, so any speculation he was the target is just that. Or at least I've not seen any evidence the attackers knew the Ambassador would be making a visit there, that day, at that time.

    And if it was to get access to the "Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility" ( I assume that's what you meant) then you're making my point. The admin can't say that's the reason because the world wasn't supposed to know those facilities were CIA outposts doing spook stuff - which is why Petraeus was a no show at the memorial. Do you expect the various agencies to sign off on talking points that blow a CIA operation in the immediate aftermath of an attack? Question 2 is "what the hell was CIA doing in Benghazi?" which was and still is presumably classified information. And if the Admin knew that was the reason for the attack and then blamed it on a random attack , it's also a lie, just a different one. Which is my point. You're effectively demanding that they tell a BETTER lie or a DIFFERENT lie, in the immediate aftermath of an attack.

    Yeah they knew who did.....that's why Petraeus was trotted out in front of the people. As a Matter of fact they knew while the attack was taking place.....and then later when Ansar al Sharia claimed credit.


    The question surfaced again on Oct. 25 — more than six weeks after the incident — when government emails showed the White House and the State Department were told even as the attack was going on that Ansar al-Sharia, a little-known militant group, had claimed credit for it.....snip~

    Benghazi Timeline




    Oh, and Stevens said he was on a hit list. Also....I think the Libyans had stated the same.



    Report: Ambassador Stevens Said He Was on an Al-Qaeda Hit List.....

    American intelligence officials insist that the attack on the Benghazi consulate was not pre-planned, but a new CNN report says that Ambassador Chris Stevens had expressed concerns about the safety of the mission in the months before his death. According to "a source familiar with his thinking," Stevens was worried about the growing threat of al-Qaeda and other extremists in Libya and even mentioned that he was on a terrorist "hit list.".....snip~

    Report: Ambassador Stevens Said He Was on an Al-Qaeda Hit List
    September 20, 2012 11:28 AM <<<<< !

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    Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack [W:222]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I do know what you're talkng about. You just said it again.

    Anytime someone puts their life on the line for a comrade, it isn't meaningless! You're a Marine! You know better!
    That is exactly what threw me for a loop....I have known, and had the privilege of working with more than a few Marine's in my life, both in, and out of the Military, and of those I worked with, NONE would have thought for a NY second that a mission to save a life of an American in ANY situation was too risky....
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    Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

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    Yes, she absolutely said that, and to that Issa immediately said he didn't believe that for a moment...



    I also believe that was a bit of CYA on her part....For instance why no increased security? Was it lack of funding? We already know that from her own lips she said 'No Sir', well, then was it a spontaneous attack? We also know the answer to that is no. In fact we know that after previous attacks on other embassy's and consulates in the area that Stevens begged for more security and was turned down by State because they wanted to optics to show "normalized relations".... It was a dumb plan, and it got people killed. Period.
    I think Amb. Stevens was asked twice if he needed more security and twice he said, "no". It was someone else in Tripoli...a guy named Nordstrom?...that requested more security and he claims his requests were never answered. Which is kind of strange since he also claims to know the reason his requests were denied...but how would he know that if he never got a reply?

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    Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack [W:222]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That is exactly what threw me for a loop....I have known, and had the privilege of working with more than a few Marine's in my life, both in, and out of the Military, and of those I worked with, NONE would have thought for a NY second that a mission to save a life of an American in ANY situation was too risky....
    On the other hand, I've known Marines that I wouldn't trust with my dog.

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    Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I think Amb. Stevens was asked twice if he needed more security and twice he said, "no". It was someone else in Tripoli...a guy named Nordstrom?...that requested more security and he claims his requests were never answered. Which is kind of strange since he also claims to know the reason his requests were denied...but how would he know that if he never got a reply?
    Unfortunately, yours or my speculation about what we think happened, so if you're trying to turn what you think Stevens said into any kind of fact, we can stop there.
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