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    re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack [W:222]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The protests in other ME cities were a convenient excuse for a President on the campaign trail that was touting "GM alive, and OBL dead, with AQ on the run"....Can't rightly claim that when there is pictures of your own consulate burning during an attack by AQ affiliates....
    Nothing this President does is truthful, or above board. It is all political bull ****.
    The worst part is that he's so damn good at it and it doesn't seem to bother him at all.
    Pretty sad when you have a President who believes politics is an end that justifies any means.

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    Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    BS????

    First, Chaffetz voted to cut funding for embassy security.....


    "...Chaffetz himself has been criticized for politicizing the Benghazi incident, acknowledging in an interview with CNN anchor Soledad O'Brien that he had "voted to cut the funding for embassy security" and that House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds allocated to the State Department for embassy security since winning the majority in 2010. "Absolutely," Chaffetz said. "Look we have to make priorities and choices in this country."..."

    Jason Chaffetz Admits House GOP Cut Funding For Embassy Security: 'You Have To Prioritize Things'


    After the attacks, Chaffetz calls for hearing on Benghazi security....

    Congressmen Call Hearing On Libya Security Measures - US News


    During the hearing, Chaffetz exposes the entire CIA operation in Benghazi on TV and put hundreds of lives at risk and ruined any chance for diplomatic presence in Libya....

    Dana Milbank: Letting us in on a secret - The Washington Post




    Chaffetz would look lovely in an orange jumpsuit, don't you agree? I mean really, who needs enemies when we have republican congressmen?
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    re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack [W:222]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That we knew instantly that it was a terrorist attack instead of a youtube video? That has been just about pretty much the uniform testimony of everyone involved in national security who has been called to testify on these matters, from General Hamm on down to the guys in the OP.
    I don't know whether we knew the motives of unknown attackers from day one or not. Seems to me unlikely since without knowing WHO did it, guessing WHY would have been just that - a guess. The big problem seems to be that the initial speculation - and it was labeled speculation, subject to investigation, etc. etc. - was wrong and they didn't walk that back for a matter of weeks. Sorry, but that just doesn't seem to me to rise to the level of conspiracy or anything close to it. This isn't Watergate where Nixon went months, fired people, hindered the investigation, etc. to bury a story. It's not Iran-Contra, where multiple officials committed perjury, obvious perjury, under oath. We're talking about the MOTIVES of terrorists whose identity was unknown to us at that time.

    That's first. Second, the fact is it was CIA outposts attacked, doing spook work, that we still don't fully understand as a public. Petraeus wanted the CIA role in those facilities hidden enough that he skipped the memorial for his own dead employees. The point is my guess, and it's only a guess, is that the attacks weren't 'terrorism' but were more akin to an act of war, where our facilities were attacked because of what our spooks were doing in Benghazi. If that's the case and it seems more likely than some random 'terrorists' planned a "terrorist attack" against the U.S. for no particular reason other than they were "U.S. faclities" then the ONLY honest explanation is something like: "We had the CIA in Benghazi doing X ___________________ (and then lay that out in detail) and the bad guys in the area found out and attacked the people doing X to force them to quit doing X." Well, that's not going to happen and everyone knows it.

    So what could the spies and intelligence people say in the days and weeks afterward that was NOT a lie? Nothing really. At best they say, "We have no dang idea what it was or why." Or maybe just blame it on random "terrorist. " But "we don't know why" or "random attack.." are just as big of lies as blaming it on the video, just different.

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    Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    First, Chaffetz voted to cut funding for embassy security.....


    "...Chaffetz himself has been criticized for politicizing the Benghazi incident, acknowledging in an interview with CNN anchor Soledad O'Brien that he had "voted to cut the funding for embassy security" and that House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds allocated to the State Department for embassy security since winning the majority in 2010. "Absolutely," Chaffetz said. "Look we have to make priorities and choices in this country."..."

    Jason Chaffetz Admits House GOP Cut Funding For Embassy Security: 'You Have To Prioritize Things'


    After the attacks, Chaffetz calls for hearing on Benghazi security....

    Congressmen Call Hearing On Libya Security Measures - US News


    During the hearing, Chaffetz exposes the entire CIA operation in Benghazi putting hundreds of lives at risk and ruining any chance for diplomatic presence in Libya....
    Dana Milbank: Letting us in on a secret - The Washington Post




    Chaffetz would look lovely in an orange jumpsuit, don't you agree? I mean really, who needs enemies when we have republican congressmen?

    I guess you just ignored this:

    QUESTION: It has been suggested that budget cuts were responsible for a lack of security in Benghazi. And I'd like to ask Ms. Lamb, you made this decision personally. Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?

    DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE CHARLENE LAMB: No, sir.

    Barbara Boxer’s claim that GOP budgets hampered Benghazi security - The Washington Post

    So is that all you got Moot?
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    re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack [W:222]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you are free to say so. You are also free to check with any of the members here who have known me for more than a decade at this point, who knew me before I enlisted in the Marine Corps, and have been with me since. Or, if you like, you can check with American, who actually picked me up when I was going through an intel course in his home-area. We went out to a wine festival



    That we knew instantly that it was a terrorist attack instead of a youtube video? That has been just about pretty much the uniform testimony of everyone involved in national security who has been called to testify on these matters, from General Hamm on down to the guys in the OP.

    The Benghazi Transcripts: Top Defense officials briefed Obama on ‘attack,’ not video or protest

    Newly declassified Benghazi testimony: Pentagon told Obama it was terrorism

    AFRICOM commander: We knew almost immediately Benghazi was a terrorist attack

    Etc. etc. so on and so forth.

    How about simply some copies of The Guardian Newspaper, who the same day were reporting not only that it was a terrorist attack, but quoted from eye witnesses and documented classified CIA documents were blowing in the wind in the still smoldering ruins.

    As Jay Carney was sneering at reporters brave enough to go off page, about "old news", The Guardian was following a trail back to the State Department, none of which saw the light of day in US Media...not even Fox.

    This is not unexpected, like the peace movement of the late sixties and early seventies, the White House claims of it being a "fad under the control of communists" the burr in the saddle that Benghazi is refuses to die in spite of the tremendous might of the White House to secretly crucify it. And contrary to Mr. Carney's absolute oath, life history has told me than when something like this refuses to die when stabbed, shot, hanged and drowned, there is "something there."

    And we will never find out if no one looks
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    Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I guess you just ignored this:

    QUESTION: It has been suggested that budget cuts were responsible for a lack of security in Benghazi. And I'd like to ask Ms. Lamb, you made this decision personally. Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?

    DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE CHARLENE LAMB: No, sir.

    Barbara Boxer’s claim that GOP budgets hampered Benghazi security - The Washington Post

    So is that all you got Moot?
    It's certainly far and away enough to show the American people what Hypocrites the people are you defend.
    When you have to moan and groan about Benghazi, using American death overseas in despicable campaign ads,
    yet forgetting the 4,500 soldiers sent to an early death by the ones you defend,
    and then use ISIS beheadings in campaign ads, it shows the true Nature of who the Enemies of the USA are at home .
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    Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    It's certainly far and away enough to show the American people what Hypocrites the people are you defend.
    When you have to moan and groan about Benghazi, using American death overseas in despicable campaign ads,
    yet forgetting the 4,500 soldiers sent to an early death by the ones you defend,
    and then use ISIS beheadings in campaign ads, it shows the true Nature of who the Enemies of the USA are at home .

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    Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    First, Chaffetz voted to cut funding for embassy security.....


    "...Chaffetz himself has been criticized for politicizing the Benghazi incident, acknowledging in an interview with CNN anchor Soledad O'Brien that he had "voted to cut the funding for embassy security" and that House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds allocated to the State Department for embassy security since winning the majority in 2010. "Absolutely," Chaffetz said. "Look we have to make priorities and choices in this country."..."

    Jason Chaffetz Admits House GOP Cut Funding For Embassy Security: 'You Have To Prioritize Things'


    After the attacks, Chaffetz calls for hearing on Benghazi security....

    Congressmen Call Hearing On Libya Security Measures - US News


    During the hearing, Chaffetz exposes the entire CIA operation in Benghazi on TV and put hundreds of lives at risk and ruined any chance for diplomatic presence in Libya....

    Dana Milbank: Letting us in on a secret - The Washington Post




    Chaffetz would look lovely in an orange jumpsuit, don't you agree? I mean really, who needs enemies when we have republican congressmen?


    Nah.....first was this


    There were no protesters at the Benghazi consulate prior to the attack, even though Obama and others repeatedly said the attackers joined an angry mob that had formed in opposition to the anti-Muslim film that had triggered protests in Egypt and elsewhere. The State Department disclosed this fact Oct. 9 — nearly a month after the attack.

    Libya President Mohamed Magariaf insisted on Sept. 16 — five days after the attack — that it was a planned terrorist attack, but administration officials continued for days later to say there was no evidence of a planned attack.◾Magariaf also said the idea that the attack was a “spontaneous protest that just spun out of control is completely unfounded and preposterous.” This, too, was on Sept. 16. Yet, Obama and others continued to describe the incident in exactly those terms — including during the president’s Sept. 18 appearance on the “Late Show With David Letterman.”.....snip~

    Benghazi Timeline

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    Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I guess you just ignored this:

    QUESTION: It has been suggested that budget cuts were responsible for a lack of security in Benghazi. And I'd like to ask Ms. Lamb, you made this decision personally. Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?

    DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE CHARLENE LAMB: No, sir.

    Barbara Boxer’s claim that GOP budgets hampered Benghazi security - The Washington Post

    So is that all you got Moot?
    I've got Chaffetz on record saying that funding for embassy security was not a priority. I also have Chaffetz exposing the entire CIA operation in Benghazi on national TV....maps and all....during a hearing on security no less. There are people rotting in Gitmo for doing less.

    All you've got are talking points.
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    re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack [W:222]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I don't know whether we knew the motives of unknown attackers from day one or not. Seems to me unlikely since without knowing WHO did it
    Uh. We did.

    We also know that the attackers used a combined arms approach and a focus of effort that demonstrated impressive intelligence preparation of the battlespace - the kind of thing that takes some serious time and preparation, not the kind of thing you throw together at the last minute as part of a protest.

    That's first. Second, the fact is it was CIA outposts attacked, doing spook work, that we still don't fully understand as a public. Petraeus wanted the CIA role in those facilities hidden enough that he skipped the memorial for his own dead employees. The point is my guess, and it's only a guess, is that the attacks weren't 'terrorism' but were more akin to an act of war, where our facilities were attacked because of what our spooks were doing in Benghazi.
    if you want to get technical with definitions you could argue the semantics of that. Regardless was an attack by an Islamist Militant Group against the United States of America, an attack that had been planned for some time and which was carried out successfully. And whether you want to define "terrorism" in such a way to include it or not, it wasn't a youtube video and we knew that at the time.

    If that's the case and it seems more likely than some random 'terrorists' planned a "terrorist attack" against the U.S. for no particular reason other than they were "U.S. faclities" then the ONLY honest explanation is something like: "We had the CIA in Benghazi doing X ___________________ (and then lay that out in detail) and the bad guys in the area found out and attacked the people doing X to force them to quit doing X."
    ....wait. You think that the only reason that Islamist militant groups attack Western interests is because the CIA is working out of a consulate in Benghazi?

    No, dude. The only excuse these people need is availability.

    So what could the spies and intelligence people say in the days and weeks afterward that was NOT a lie? Nothing really. At best they say, "We have no dang idea what it was or why." Or maybe just blame it on random "terrorist. " But "we don't know why" or "random attack.." are just as big of lies as blaming it on the video, just different.
    No one is suggesting that we ever thought it was random. Random terrorism is rather rare. Usually targets are selected for a purpose. In this case, because it was American and because they hoped to kill the Ambassador and likely because they hoped to get access to the SCIF.

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