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    2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

    Superior Court Judge Douglass Sasser ordered the immediate release of Henry McCollum, 50, and Leon Brown, 46. The half brothers were convicted in the 1983 slaying of Sabrina Buie in Robeson County.

    Lawyers for the men petitioned for their release after DNA evidence from a cigarette butt recovered at the crime scene pointed to another man. That man, who lived close to the soybean field where the dead girl's body was found, is already serving a life sentence for a similar rape and murder that happened less than a month later.
    I know what many of you are going to say...... See, the system works. They were innocent, and they are now released. To that I reply "Caca del Toro" in the strongest words.

    1) No the system did NOT work for them. Because of a crooked prosecutor who coerced fake testimony from 2 "witnesses", These 2 guys had 30 years ripped from their lives, and did not have a chance to get married, have kids, and be able to watch grandkids grow up.

    2) The guy who did the crime is in prison. Guess what for? Yea, that's right. For raping and murdering another girl a month later. In my honest opinion, that crooked prosecutor is to blame for that murder too. It's too bad he can't be charged as an accessory to that murder.

    3) And, yes, these 2 guys are miraculously off death row, and won't be executed. Bravo. Tell that to the family of Cameron Todd Willingham, an innocent man who was executed in Texas a few years ago, BEFORE being found innocent. If not for the DNA on a cigarette butt, these 2 guys would have also fried.

    And so here is the deal on why I am so strongly against the death penalty. It's not that some people don't deserve it. Some definitely do. And, if the death penalty was perfect, I would gladly volunteer to throw the switch myself. But it's not, and putting to death the many who deserve it is not worth the few innocents who are put to death along with them. As long as we have an imperfect death penalty, we are no better than the many. We are murderers too.
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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I know what many of you are going to say...... See, the system works. They were innocent, and they are now released. To that I reply "Caca del Toro" in the strongest words.
    Who would say the system works when they were in prison for thirty years? As you said, they had their entire life ripped from them.

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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I know what many of you are going to say...... See, the system works. They were innocent, and they are now released. To that I reply "Caca del Toro" in the strongest words.

    1) No the system did NOT work for them. Because of a crooked prosecutor who coerced fake testimony from 2 "witnesses", These 2 guys had 30 years ripped from their lives, and did not have a chance to get married, have kids, and be able to watch grandkids grow up.

    2) The guy who did the crime is in prison. Guess what for? Yea, that's right. For raping and murdering another girl a month later. In my honest opinion, that crooked prosecutor is to blame for that murder too. It's too bad he can't be charged as an accessory to that murder.

    3) And, yes, these 2 guys are off death row, and won't be executed. Bravo. Tell that to the family of Cameron Todd Willingham, an innocent man who was executed in Texas a few years ago, BEFORE being found innocent.

    And so here is the deal on why I am so strongly against the death penalty. It's not that some people don't deserve it. Some definitely do. And, if the death penalty was perfect, I would gladly volunteer to throw the switch myself. But it's not, and putting to death the many who deserve it is not worth the few innocents who are put to death along with them. As long as we have an imperfect death penalty, we are no better than the many. We are also murderers.

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    these people were convicted decades ago, as technology advances I'd easily say that the room for error also decreases.

    a couple decades from now and only the smart criminals (in the form of internet robbers, hackers, etc.) will survive. Dumb criminals will die (street thugs, rapists, murderers). I want to keep the death penalty only because I am 10X more confident of the legal system than the ability of the criminal's to get away or the chances of a lawyer to be corrupted to such an extent.

    Besides, personally, kill me, 20-30 years-life in prison doesn't sound any better.
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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I know what many of you are going to say...... See, the system works. They were innocent, and they are now released. To that I reply "Caca del Toro" in the strongest words.

    1) No the system did NOT work for them. Because of a crooked prosecutor who coerced fake testimony from 2 "witnesses", These 2 guys had 30 years ripped from their lives, and did not have a chance to get married, have kids, and be able to watch grandkids grow up.

    2) The guy who did the crime is in prison. Guess what for? Yea, that's right. For raping and murdering another girl a month later. In my honest opinion, that crooked prosecutor is to blame for that murder too. It's too bad he can't be charged as an accessory to that murder.

    3) And, yes, these 2 guys are miraculously off death row, and won't be executed. Bravo. Tell that to the family of Cameron Todd Willingham, an innocent man who was executed in Texas a few years ago, BEFORE being found innocent. If not for the DNA on a cigarette butt, these 2 guys would have also fried.

    And so here is the deal on why I am so strongly against the death penalty. It's not that some people don't deserve it. Some definitely do. And, if the death penalty was perfect, I would gladly volunteer to throw the switch myself. But it's not, and putting to death the many who deserve it is not worth the few innocents who are put to death along with them. As long as we have an imperfect death penalty, we are no better than the many. We are murderers too.
    Article is here.

    Now, if they had capital punishment in that state?

    There is no way in the burning depths of hell that anyone can make a legitimate claim that "the system works" at all, when you consider the stats of the country, highest incarceration and recidivism rates in the industrialized world, one of the highest crime rates and on and on.

    The "corrections system" is no longer about corrections but outright vengeance when anyone spends 30 years behind bars...the maximum sentence for anything in Canada is life without parole for 25 years and that was last used for a serial killer. In this case it was corruption....so if there is any "working" in the system perhaps someone can tell me why it took 30 years to unearth?
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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    these people were convicted decades ago, as technology advances I'd easily say that the room for error also decreases.

    a couple decades from now and only the smart criminals (in the form of internet robbers, hackers, etc.) will survive. Dumb criminals will die (street thugs, rapists, murderers). I want to keep the death penalty only because I am 10X more confident of the legal system than the ability of the criminal's to get away or the chances of a lawyer to be corrupted to such an extent.

    Besides, personally, kill me, 20-30 years-life in prison doesn't sound any better.

    And if the death penalty were in place here, these innocent men would have been the victims of state sanctioned murder.

    Better ten go free than one convicted wrongfully was or is a motto of your own legal system dating back to 1776. I guess now it's better to have ten die wrongfully than have one go free....

    Your faith in the justice system is remarkable if not entirely misplaced on a thread that has demonstrated the system is subject to corruption and misuse.

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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    And if the death penalty were in place here, these innocent men would have been the victims of state sanctioned murder.

    Better ten go free than one convicted wrongfully was or is a motto of your own legal system dating back to 1776. I guess now it's better to have ten die wrongfully than have one go free....

    Your faith in the justice system is remarkable if not entirely misplaced on a thread that has demonstrated the system is subject to corruption and misuse.

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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I know what many of you are going to say...... See, the system works. They were innocent, and they are now released. To that I reply "Caca del Toro" in the strongest words.

    1) No the system did NOT work for them. Because of a crooked prosecutor who coerced fake testimony from 2 "witnesses", These 2 guys had 30 years ripped from their lives, and did not have a chance to get married, have kids, and be able to watch grandkids grow up.

    2) The guy who did the crime is in prison. Guess what for? Yea, that's right. For raping and murdering another girl a month later. In my honest opinion, that crooked prosecutor is to blame for that murder too. It's too bad he can't be charged as an accessory to that murder.

    3) And, yes, these 2 guys are miraculously off death row, and won't be executed. Bravo. Tell that to the family of Cameron Todd Willingham, an innocent man who was executed in Texas a few years ago, BEFORE being found innocent. If not for the DNA on a cigarette butt, these 2 guys would have also fried.

    And so here is the deal on why I am so strongly against the death penalty. It's not that some people don't deserve it. Some definitely do. And, if the death penalty was perfect, I would gladly volunteer to throw the switch myself. But it's not, and putting to death the many who deserve it is not worth the few innocents who are put to death along with them. As long as we have an imperfect death penalty, we are no better than the many. We are murderers too.
    Article is here.
    This is one of the guys that Scalia once said he should be put to death no?
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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    This is one of the guys that Scalia once said he should be put to death no?
    Yup, Scalia actually cited this case in reference to another case the Supremes were considering. But Scalia is a death penalty supporter, and the crime he referenced was particularly gruesome. I don't necessarily fault Scalia as much as I fault the system itself.
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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I know what many of you are going to say...... See, the system works. They were innocent, and they are now released. To that I reply "Caca del Toro" in the strongest words.

    1) No the system did NOT work for them. Because of a crooked prosecutor who coerced fake testimony from 2 "witnesses", These 2 guys had 30 years ripped from their lives, and did not have a chance to get married, have kids, and be able to watch grandkids grow up.

    2) The guy who did the crime is in prison. Guess what for? Yea, that's right. For raping and murdering another girl a month later. In my honest opinion, that crooked prosecutor is to blame for that murder too. It's too bad he can't be charged as an accessory to that murder.

    3) And, yes, these 2 guys are miraculously off death row, and won't be executed. Bravo. Tell that to the family of Cameron Todd Willingham, an innocent man who was executed in Texas a few years ago, BEFORE being found innocent. If not for the DNA on a cigarette butt, these 2 guys would have also fried.

    And so here is the deal on why I am so strongly against the death penalty. It's not that some people don't deserve it. Some definitely do. And, if the death penalty was perfect, I would gladly volunteer to throw the switch myself. But it's not, and putting to death the many who deserve it is not worth the few innocents who are put to death along with them. As long as we have an imperfect death penalty, we are no better than the many. We are murderers too.
    Article is here.
    And Supreme Court Justice Anton Scalia once pushed to have these two INNOCENT men executed.

    This is why I'm so strongly against the death penalty.
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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Who would say the system works when they were in prison for thirty years? As you said, they had their entire life ripped from them.
    Hey, whaddaya know - we actually agree on something!
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