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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

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    Actually, it turns out Scalia didn't say that. His position if far more nuanced, though only slightly less reprehensible.

    If you have a link to Thomas' quote, I'd like to see it. He's a complete moron
    And you're right - I did exaggerate overmuch. His position was more nuanced than I implied. Thanks
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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And so here is the deal on why I am so strongly against the death penalty. It's not that some people don't deserve it. Some definitely do. And, if the death penalty was perfect, I would gladly volunteer to throw the switch myself. But it's not, and putting to death the many who deserve it is not worth the few innocents who are put to death along with them. As long as we have an imperfect death penalty, we are no better than the many. We are murderers too.
    Article is here.
    It amazes me that Conservatives who talk about how government is terrible and cant do anything well can also overwhelmingly support the death penalty, in which its pretty amply demonstrated that our justice system is lacking in all sorts of areas, and the death penalty is not a reversible punishment.
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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    It amazes me that Conservatives who talk about how government is terrible and cant do anything well can also overwhelmingly support the death penalty, in which its pretty amply demonstrated that our justice system is lacking in all sorts of areas, and the death penalty is not a reversible punishment.
    It becomes less amazing when you consider how stupid most of them are
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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

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    It becomes less amazing when you consider how stupid most of them are
    That would be unkind to say, so I bury it deep down and try to reason with them as best I can.
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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I know what many of you are going to say...... See, the system works. They were innocent, and they are now released. To that I reply "Caca del Toro" in the strongest words.

    1) No the system did NOT work for them. Because of a crooked prosecutor who coerced fake testimony from 2 "witnesses", These 2 guys had 30 years ripped from their lives, and did not have a chance to get married, have kids, and be able to watch grandkids grow up.

    2) The guy who did the crime is in prison. Guess what for? Yea, that's right. For raping and murdering another girl a month later. In my honest opinion, that crooked prosecutor is to blame for that murder too. It's too bad he can't be charged as an accessory to that murder.

    3) And, yes, these 2 guys are miraculously off death row, and won't be executed. Bravo. Tell that to the family of Cameron Todd Willingham, an innocent man who was executed in Texas a few years ago, BEFORE being found innocent. If not for the DNA on a cigarette butt, these 2 guys would have also fried.

    And so here is the deal on why I am so strongly against the death penalty. It's not that some people don't deserve it. Some definitely do. And, if the death penalty was perfect, I would gladly volunteer to throw the switch myself. But it's not, and putting to death the many who deserve it is not worth the few innocents who are put to death along with them. As long as we have an imperfect death penalty, we are no better than the many. We are murderers too.
    Article is here.
    I also oppose the death penalty, but not for the same reason.

    Really, imprisoning someone for thirty years is certainly a grave evil, if we don't require absolute certainty to do that, then we shouldn't for executing someone.

    That said, the death penalty is no longer necessary to protect society.

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