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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I know what many of you are going to say...... See, the system works. They were innocent, and they are now released. To that I reply "Caca del Toro" in the strongest words.

    1) No the system did NOT work for them. Because of a crooked prosecutor who coerced fake testimony from 2 "witnesses", These 2 guys had 30 years ripped from their lives, and did not have a chance to get married, have kids, and be able to watch grandkids grow up.

    2) The guy who did the crime is in prison. Guess what for? Yea, that's right. For raping and murdering another girl a month later. In my honest opinion, that crooked prosecutor is to blame for that murder too. It's too bad he can't be charged as an accessory to that murder.

    3) And, yes, these 2 guys are miraculously off death row, and won't be executed. Bravo. Tell that to the family of Cameron Todd Willingham, an innocent man who was executed in Texas a few years ago, BEFORE being found innocent. If not for the DNA on a cigarette butt, these 2 guys would have also fried.

    And so here is the deal on why I am so strongly against the death penalty. It's not that some people don't deserve it. Some definitely do. And, if the death penalty was perfect, I would gladly volunteer to throw the switch myself. But it's not, and putting to death the many who deserve it is not worth the few innocents who are put to death along with them. As long as we have an imperfect death penalty, we are no better than the many. We are murderers too.
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    Exactly why I'm against the death penalty as well. I think it's the easy way out for criminals anyway. It isn't cheaper. It doesn't prevent crime. It clogs the court rooms with appeal after appeal. Make those dirt bags sit and stare at 4 walls for the rest of their life. If it were me, I'd rather die honestly.
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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And Supreme Court Justice Anton Scalia once pushed to have these two INNOCENT men executed.

    This is why I'm so strongly against the death penalty.
    Isn't Scalia the one who said something like "proof of actual innocence should not be sufficient to overturn a guilty verdict"?
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    You have to look at it positively. Were it not for the death penalty, those that only give a damn about the cause wouldnt have cared if these two men were locked away forever. At least now they can offer the slightest pretense of outrage for and on their behalf.

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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I know what many of you are going to say...... See, the system works. They were innocent, and they are now released. To that I reply "Caca del Toro" in the strongest words.

    1) No the system did NOT work for them. Because of a crooked prosecutor who coerced fake testimony from 2 "witnesses", These 2 guys had 30 years ripped from their lives, and did not have a chance to get married, have kids, and be able to watch grandkids grow up.

    2) The guy who did the crime is in prison. Guess what for? Yea, that's right. For raping and murdering another girl a month later. In my honest opinion, that crooked prosecutor is to blame for that murder too. It's too bad he can't be charged as an accessory to that murder.

    3) And, yes, these 2 guys are miraculously off death row, and won't be executed. Bravo. Tell that to the family of Cameron Todd Willingham, an innocent man who was executed in Texas a few years ago, BEFORE being found innocent. If not for the DNA on a cigarette butt, these 2 guys would have also fried.

    And so here is the deal on why I am so strongly against the death penalty. It's not that some people don't deserve it. Some definitely do. And, if the death penalty was perfect, I would gladly volunteer to throw the switch myself. But it's not, and putting to death the many who deserve it is not worth the few innocents who are put to death along with them. As long as we have an imperfect death penalty, we are no better than the many. We are murderers too.
    Article is here.
    If it is provable that a crooked prosecutor deliberately participated in the framing of two men for murder that he knew were innocent—or at least knew he didn't have nearly enough cause to support their guilt through honest means—with the result that these two innocent men came very close to being put to death for the crimes of which they were falsely convicted, then I think this is an excellent argument that the death penalty absolutely should be applied, to the corrupt prosecutor. After a fair and proper trial, of course, and proper sentencing.
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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Isn't Scalia the one who said something like "proof of actual innocence should not be sufficient to overturn a guilty verdict"?
    I thought I remember that quote being fake.
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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I know what many of you are going to say...... See, the system works. They were innocent, and they are now released. To that I reply "Caca del Toro" in the strongest words.

    1) No the system did NOT work for them. Because of a crooked prosecutor who coerced fake testimony from 2 "witnesses", These 2 guys had 30 years ripped from their lives, and did not have a chance to get married, have kids, and be able to watch grandkids grow up.

    2) The guy who did the crime is in prison. Guess what for? Yea, that's right. For raping and murdering another girl a month later. In my honest opinion, that crooked prosecutor is to blame for that murder too. It's too bad he can't be charged as an accessory to that murder.

    3) And, yes, these 2 guys are miraculously off death row, and won't be executed. Bravo. Tell that to the family of Cameron Todd Willingham, an innocent man who was executed in Texas a few years ago, BEFORE being found innocent. If not for the DNA on a cigarette butt, these 2 guys would have also fried.

    And so here is the deal on why I am so strongly against the death penalty. It's not that some people don't deserve it. Some definitely do. And, if the death penalty was perfect, I would gladly volunteer to throw the switch myself. But it's not, and putting to death the many who deserve it is not worth the few innocents who are put to death along with them. As long as we have an imperfect death penalty, we are no better than the many. We are murderers too.
    Article is here.
    You think that is bad look up the story of Jerry Hobbs or Juan Rivera.

    Long story short: Hobbs was in jail for 5 years charged with his own daughters murder and rape DESPITE THE FACT the DA had DNA that matched a serial killer and rapist and hid the evidence for 3 of those 5 years.... Rivera's case is similar to Hobbs but the little girl he allegedly murdered wasn't his daughter and Rivera spent nearly 20 years in prison for that crime - he clearly didn't commit.

    Those are just two cases from my county...

    There are too many innocent people in prison or jail right now because cops are lazy arrogant fools...

    This is why I work with and contribute to the Innocence Project..

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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You have to look at it positively. Were it not for the death penalty, those that only give a damn about the cause wouldnt have cared if these two men were locked away forever. At least now they can offer the slightest pretense of outrage for and on their behalf.
    If it wasn't for the death penalty, nothing would have been retested in this case and those two men would still be in jail.

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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Isn't Scalia the one who said something like "proof of actual innocence should not be sufficient to overturn a guilty verdict"?
    I didn't know that! And when I looked it up, Justice Thomas said pretty much the same thing, something along the lines of "It doesn't matter if they're innocent - if they've been declared guilty in a court of law and sentenced to death, then they should be executed."

    This happens much more to minorities, of course...and we see the dearth of protest from the Right. But if, say, the "sovereign citizen" over in Nevada is sentenced to death for, say, killing a federal agent and then turns out to be innocent...gee, what would the Right do then? I think we all know.

    They're not too concerned that some innocent people are wrongfully convicted or even executed...as long as they aren't THEIR people....
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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

    In cases like this, the state needs to compensate them for life!!! They should not have to pay for a thing outta pocket!!! It's the least the state can do for robbing them of three decades! "I'm sorry" ain't gonna suffice!

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    Re: 2 NC men's convictions overturned in 1983 killing

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I didn't know that! And when I looked it up, Justice Thomas said pretty much the same thing, something along the lines of "It doesn't matter if they're innocent - if they've been declared guilty in a court of law and sentenced to death, then they should be executed."

    This happens much more to minorities, of course...and we see the dearth of protest from the Right. But if, say, the "sovereign citizen" over in Nevada is sentenced to death for, say, killing a federal agent and then turns out to be innocent...gee, what would the Right do then? I think we all know.

    They're not too concerned that some innocent people are wrongfully convicted or even executed...as long as they aren't THEIR people....
    Actually, it turns out Scalia didn't say that. His position if far more nuanced, though only slightly less reprehensible.

    If you have a link to Thomas' quote, I'd like to see it. He's a complete moron
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