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    Re: Source: Obama given detailed intelligence for a year about rise of ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Don't you mean the neo-conservatives who sided with Obama ?

    It was the conservatives who pointed out that many of the rebels were Al Qaeda not Obama or any Democrats. Obama wanted to arm the Al Qaeda factions in Syria.

    Remember, the GOP took in the Democrat's liberal base back in the 70's when the Democrat Party was hijacked by the radical left. These Democrat refuges are known as neo-conservatives.
    Another alternative history floated by conservatives. Conservatives are itching to give advanced weaponry to terrorists. It's a tradition. Remember Reagan in Afghanistan?

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    Re: Source: Obama given detailed intelligence for a year about rise of ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Not quite.....the Tea Party wasn't for it other than Ted Cruz and that's when Rand Paul and Johnny Quest McCain got into it with their verbal gaffs. Also there were quite a few against it that were establishment Repubs.
    Fair enough, pardon the broad brush. The action had wide support from the left and right, with some oppossition from both political parties. Unfortunately too much support for this bad action that has left Libya in grave trouble and reduced the oil output from 1.3 million BPD to 300k.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Source: Obama given detailed intelligence for a year about rise of ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by FaceofBachmann View Post
    Another alternative history floated by conservatives. Conservatives are itching to give advanced weaponry to terrorists. It's a tradition. Remember Reagan in Afghanistan?
    Both parties have supported militant Islamic groups.

    Since the Soviet-Afghan war, recruiting Mujahedin ("holy warriors") to fight covert wars on Washington's behest has become an integral part of US foreign policy. A 1997 document of the US Congress reveals how the Clinton administration --under advice from the National Security Council headed by Anthony Lake-- had "helped turn Bosnia into a militant Islamic base" leading to the recruitment through the so-called "Militant Islamic Network," of thousands of Mujahedin from the Muslim world.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/DCH109A.html


    Arming the Mujahideen began at the end of the Carter administration and continued throughout most of the Reagan administration. That was perhaps the first power vacuum created through BY-PARTISAN action.

    Main articles: Taliban's rise to power and Afghan training camp
    After the Soviet withdrawal, Afghanistan was effectively ungoverned for seven years and plagued by constant infighting between former allies and various mujahideen groups.

    Throughout the 1990s, a new force began to emerge. The origins of the Taliban (literally "students") lay in the children of Afghanistan, many of them orphaned by the war, and many of whom had been educated in the rapidly expanding network of Islamic schools (madrassas) either in Kandahar or in the refugee camps on the Afghan-Pakistani border.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda
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    Re: Source: Obama given detailed intelligence for a year about rise of ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    ... Tin foil hats are for aliens and conpiracies: things that are so improbable so as to be ridiculous. There has been a large purging of the military, top to bottom. I don't have many military contacts, but all of the ones I do have (active & retired) agree that a purge has been ongoing for a while.
    Its not a purge. Its a standard downsizing that happens after periods of war. We have build ups prior and during war and downsizing after them. I served in desert storm and after it was over there was a standard downsizing and promotion freezes until the numbers were back to where they should be and it took years.
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    Re: Source: Obama given detailed intelligence for a year about rise of ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Its not a purge. Its a standard downsizing that happens after periods of war. We have build ups prior and during war and downsizing after them. I served in desert storm and after it was over there was a standard downsizing and promotion freezes until the numbers were back to where they should be and it took years.
    But "purge" is such an incendiary, counterfactual and conspiratorial word. Why not use it, if you're a conservative?

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    Re: Source: Obama given detailed intelligence for a year about rise of ISIS

    Do you suppose that there's an off chance that Obama has a strategy, and has one for quite some time (hell, it's been a year!), but don't want to announce it, and lose favor with his hard left constituency?
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    Re: Source: Obama given detailed intelligence for a year about rise of ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Do you suppose that there's an off chance that Obama has a strategy, and has one for quite some time (hell, it's been a year!), but don't want to announce it, and lose favor with his hard left constituency?
    If you mean, will the US as a matter of policy, continue to meddle, interfere and intervene both covertly and overtly, creating crisis' that then require further interference and intervention, then yes, of course.
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    Re: Source: Obama given detailed intelligence for a year about rise of ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by FaceofBachmann View Post
    But "purge" is such an incendiary, counterfactual and conspiratorial word. Why not use it, if you're a conservative?

    You have a Conservative " fetish ...

    Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
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    Re: Source: Obama given detailed intelligence for a year about rise of ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    If you mean, will the US as a matter of policy, continue to meddle, interfere and intervene both covertly and overtly, creating crisis' that then require further interference and intervention, then yes, of course.
    Jeez, now you're starting to sound like Ron Paul.

    If we stopped meddling do you think ISIS and ISIL will slink off back to their caves ?

    Do you think they'll stop the caliphate if America plays nice ?
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    Re: Source: Obama given detailed intelligence for a year about rise of ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Another Fox anonymous source story. Go figure.
    Shooting the messenger. Go figure.

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