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    Re: ISIS Beheads Steven Sotloff.....

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Meanwhile, this gem....

    "Secretary of State John Kerry last week told his Egyptian counterpart that the United States would speed up the delivery of Apache attack helicopters, although it is not clear the Apaches would be used in any Libyan operations."

    So...Bush ousting Hussein...that was a 'bad thing'. The Obama administration supporting terror groups in the ousting of Mubarak and Qaddafi and Assad...thats...a good thing. Arming them. Thats a good thing. Maybe we can engage our Libyan Embassy to oversee things...oh...wait...the Embassy compound is in rebel control.

    Thank goodness football season is here.
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    Re: ISIS Beheads Steven Sotloff.....

    Threats by depraved savages to murder Westerners cannot be allowed to determine U.S. policy toward those savages. This is warfare, and it is simply not possible to avoid this kind of thing completely. A great power cannot surrender the initiative to people like these. As soon as targets can be identified, U.S. aircraft should destroy them. No need to wait until the list is complete. And if Raqqah is the main stronghold for these people, attacking that city in general should not be out of the question. If these war criminals conceal themselves in towns and cities, and the people there agree to harbor them, those people make themselves targets too.

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    Re: ISIS Beheads Steven Sotloff.....

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Threats by depraved savages to murder Westerners cannot be allowed to determine U.S. policy toward those savages. This is warfare, and it is simply not possible to avoid this kind of thing completely. A great power cannot surrender the initiative to people like these. As soon as targets can be identified, U.S. aircraft should destroy them. No need to wait until the list is complete. And if Raqqah is the main stronghold for these people, attacking that city in general should not be out of the question. If these war criminals conceal themselves in towns and cities, and the people there agree to harbor them, those people make themselves targets too.
    I was thinking something similar.

    I wonder if it would be possible to send a message to the people of that town that they have X hours to rid themselves of ISIS or else we would carpet bomb the entire town. Of course if we issued such threat, we would actually have to go through with it if the townspeople didn't eradicate ISIS in their area. I'm not sure how we would verify that.
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    Re: ISIS Beheads Steven Sotloff.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya NB. Here is bit from Michael Isikoff on them using Social Media.


    Video Claims to Show U.S. Reporter's Beheading by ISIL....

    Yahoo News and Finance Anchor Bianna Golodryga talks with Yahoo News Chief Investigative Correspondent Michael Isikoff about the brutality of ISIL and the controversy concerning the Obama administration's handling of the terrorist group.....snip~

    http://news.yahoo.com/video/video-cl...170000813.html
    Here's the Telegraph's take: Where does the Islamic State's fetish with beheading people come from? - Telegraph

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    Re: ISIS Beheads Steven Sotloff.....

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    While I don't disagree, the requirements of leadership are not easy. Sometimes, leadership requires a President to go against the popular sentiment and to build the consensus necessary to address critical or vital matters.

    Planning a strategy for a scenario where the most extreme party currently exploiting the Mideast's sectarian rivalries poses a threat to American regional interests and strategic allies should have been part of the overall national security planning process. Such a strategy would invariably have to consider how to build Congressional and public support for a range of measures. In a region with complex sectarian fault lines and ongoing sectarian conflicts, one cannot overstate the importance of contingency planning. The more fluid or more uncertain events are, the more essential it is to undertake rigorous contingency planning for scenarios that pose the largest short-term risks or have the largest long-term implications for American interests and strategic American allies. IMO, the last two Administrations (Bush and Obama) have done an inadequate job with such planning and were put in positions of largely having to react to events (insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan, lack of preparedness when the Arab Spring proved to be a sectarian not democratic phenomenon, renewed civil strife in Iraq, exploitation of eroding central authority by extreme actors such as Al Nusra and ISIS, etc) in an excessively ad hoc fashion. Over the medium-term and beyond, reaction is not a substitute for strategy and overreliance on ad hoc responses to events raises the costs of safeguarding American interests and/or erodes the nation's ability to do so.

    That's the part the Neo Libs and Neo Cons keeps parroting about. The Arab Spring.....but you called it as the facts showed it to be DS.

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    Re: ISIS Beheads Steven Sotloff.....

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Meanwhile, this gem....

    "Secretary of State John Kerry last week told his Egyptian counterpart that the United States would speed up the delivery of Apache attack helicopters, although it is not clear the Apaches would be used in any Libyan operations."

    So...Bush ousting Hussein...that was a 'bad thing'. The Obama administration supporting terror groups in the ousting of Mubarak and Qaddafi and Assad...thats...a good thing. Arming them. Thats a good thing. Maybe we can engage our Libyan Embassy to oversee things...oh...wait...the Embassy compound is in rebel control.

    Thank goodness football season is here.
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    Re: ISIS Beheads Steven Sotloff.....

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    What MMC doesn't tell you is that the film is the same as the first one.
    That the two were beheaded at the same time.
    And released separately.
    This is what Terrorists do.
    Maybe not, while there are many similarities, not everything is the same:

    It is unclear exactly when the video was filmed, but the killer makes a reference to recent US bombings in Iraq, including in Amerli and the Mosul Dam. Iraqi forces, aided by US strikes, retook the town of Amerli last Sunday, indicating the video could have been made in the past two days.

    Sotloff’s hair and beard appear to have grown since his initial appearance in the James Foley video, so the video may have been shot at a later date.
    Video of Steven Sotloff beheading bears many similarities to James Foley killing | Media | theguardian.com

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    Re: ISIS Beheads Steven Sotloff.....

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I was thinking something similar.

    I wonder if it would be possible to send a message to the people of that town that they have X hours to rid themselves of ISIS or else we would carpet bomb the entire town. Of course if we issued such threat, we would actually have to go through with it if the townspeople didn't eradicate ISIS in their area. I'm not sure how we would verify that.
    A couple things come to mind. The President could emphasize and reiterate that while this country remains entirely committed to the laws of war, it is determined to destroy a group whose members stand completely outside all law and are the common enemies of all mankind. He might also make clear that while it has always been against both U.S. policy and the law of war to target noncombatants intentionally, the U.S. will consider anyone it knows to be harboring or aiding these people subject to attack as an unlawful combatant. And since we mean to attack those unlawful combatants, we cannot guarantee the safety of noncombatants near them. Warning leaflets could also be dropped on population centers that were to be attacked.

    The purpose of these actions would be to give the many hundreds of thousands or even millions of Arabs who are obviously cooperating with these jihadists a strong incentive to stop doing that, and turn them out where they could be bombed in the open. If the people of an entire city decide to turn on a few thousand no-goods, they can easily force them out or kill them themselves.

    No decent person wants to see even one innocent civilian get killed in a bombing, but these jihadists are a threat to people around the world and simply cannot be allowed to survive. They have killed many tens of thousands of people in Syria already, and probably thousands in Iraq. If they are not destroyed now, they will attract more followers and gain in strength, and go on to slaughter tens of thousands more innocent people.
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    Re: ISIS Beheads Steven Sotloff.....

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    MMC wasn't withholding information, Nimby. MSNBC reported it at the same time.
    That's Right TB....as the time that Reuters put it out and from the second update was 15 mins from the original report. Post 9. Then it was 9 mins out from the Jewish Paper from the time Reuters put it out. Which was the First post.


    [QUOTE=MMC;1063710195]This was just updated 15 mins ago TB. Reuters put it out first......snip~


    As you can see that's how far from the truth he really is and was.....I luv when the time always shows those BS excuses for what they are.

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