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    Re: ISIS Beheads Steven Sotloff.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I'm not sure how this is a 'gem'. The U.S. knew about Al Quaeda long before 7/11, also. Knowing about something and actually having the ability to do anything about it when the overwhelming sentiment in your country is to be finished with war in the Middle East are two different things.
    While I don't disagree, the requirements of leadership are not easy. Sometimes, leadership requires a President to go against the popular sentiment and to build the consensus necessary to address critical or vital matters.

    Planning a strategy for a scenario where the most extreme party currently exploiting the Mideast's sectarian rivalries poses a threat to American regional interests and strategic allies should have been part of the overall national security planning process. Such a strategy would invariably have to consider how to build Congressional and public support for a range of measures. In a region with complex sectarian fault lines and ongoing sectarian conflicts, one cannot overstate the importance of contingency planning. The more fluid or more uncertain events are, the more essential it is to undertake rigorous contingency planning for scenarios that pose the largest short-term risks or have the largest long-term implications for American interests and strategic American allies. IMO, the last two Administrations (Bush and Obama) have done an inadequate job with such planning and were put in positions of largely having to react to events (insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan, lack of preparedness when the Arab Spring proved to be a sectarian not democratic phenomenon, renewed civil strife in Iraq, exploitation of eroding central authority by extreme actors such as Al Nusra and ISIS, etc) in an excessively ad hoc fashion. Over the medium-term and beyond, reaction is not a substitute for strategy and overreliance on ad hoc responses to events raises the costs of safeguarding American interests and/or erodes the nation's ability to do so.
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    Re: ISIS Beheads Steven Sotloff.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Full on war over two American journalists? Obama would never.
    He would if it had not been muslims doing it.
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    Re: ISIS Beheads Steven Sotloff.....

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    What MMC doesn't tell you is that the film is the same as the first one.
    That the two were beheaded at the same time.
    And released separately.
    This is what Terrorists do.

    And the President bombed ISIL first at Amerili last week, breaking the seige, and then told congress today as per law.
    Just the way he should do things--we're at War .
    MMC wasn't withholding information, Nimby. MSNBC reported it at the same time.

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    Re: ISIS Beheads Steven Sotloff.....

    Meanwhile, this gem....

    "Secretary of State John Kerry last week told his Egyptian counterpart that the United States would speed up the delivery of Apache attack helicopters, although it is not clear the Apaches would be used in any Libyan operations."

    So...Bush ousting Hussein...that was a 'bad thing'. The Obama administration supporting terror groups in the ousting of Mubarak and Qaddafi and Assad...thats...a good thing. Arming them. Thats a good thing. Maybe we can engage our Libyan Embassy to oversee things...oh...wait...the Embassy compound is in rebel control.

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    They also reported that the film was exactly the same.
    They also reported that the three were captured at the same time.
    Whether you want to admit it or not, MMC always leaves out the rest of the story in bashing the President.
    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    MMC wasn't withholding information, Nimby. MSNBC reported it at the same time.
    I also watch Bret Baier's newshour on FOX right now and it is a must-see for me.

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    It was the GOP's Reagan who granted the first amnesty, opening the floodgates to this current round.
    Look at all of the appreciative Hispanics who voted for GWB twice.
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    Re: ISIS Beheads Steven Sotloff.....

    I blame Bush.

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    Re: ISIS Beheads Steven Sotloff.....

    ISIS cuts off the head of the first American and threatens to do it again if Obama continues to bomb them.
    GOPs want them bombed.
    Obama bombs ISIS last week and then tells congress yesterday.

    Another American has his head cut off and they threaten to do it again if we bomb them again.
    The GOPs want them bombed again.

    Obama will bomb them again.
    The third American will have her head cut off, if it already hasn't happened .
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    Re: ISIS Beheads Steven Sotloff.....

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Thanks for posting this. Glad the point was made that the execution video's audience isn't the West but, rather, ISIS fanboys.

    I don't know that I agree that women possibly being held "changes the optics completely," which is what Golodryga says. Why wouldn't they execute women, whom they regard as little better than dogs? I wouldn't be surprised if they filmed other acts of brutality they might perpetrate on a woman. Would you?
    Yeah I have seen the pics of the women they had in chains and that they would put into slavery.....and I am sure they have much worse.

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    Re: ISIS Beheads Steven Sotloff.....

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    ISIS cuts off the head of the first American and threatens to do it again if Obama continues to bomb them.
    GOPs want them bombed.
    Obama bombs ISIS last week and then tells congress yesterday.

    Another American has his head cut off and they threaten to do it again if we bomb them again.
    The GOPs want them bombed again.

    Obama will bomb them again.
    The third American will have her head cut off, if it already hasn't happened .

    So why is Diane Feinstein and Menendez saying they want the Terrorists Bombed, again? Did you still want to try and put it all on the GOP? Or did you miss all those Articles of the Demos that want something done. Including BO reporting to the Senate and Intel Chairs. Do you always try and push the false Narrative with left and their feigned innocence?

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    Re: ISIS Beheads Steven Sotloff.....

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    They also reported that the film was exactly the same.
    They also reported that the three were captured at the same time.
    Whether you want to admit it or not, MMC always leaves out the rest of the story in bashing the President.

    I also watch Bret Baier's newshour on FOX right now and it is a must-see for me.

    As they just stated correctly, Obama is best to put on unilaterasl action on immigration until after the election.
    There are fewer Hispanic voters in tight Senate races.

    And why is candidate Brown lying his ass off about Obama and Shaheen together supporting pro-Amnesty?
    It was the GOP's Reagan who granted the first amnesty, opening the floodgates to this current round.
    Look at all of the appreciative Hispanics who voted for GWB twice.
    Not so since the TEA-party took over the GOP .
    Hey Nimby, not even sure why Brown is focused on amnesty up here, and immigration and border control. We are so far from it that most people don't care, and we aren't scared of the French Canadians who immigrate down here.

    Brown's commercials suck but then again so do Shaheen's. I'm a Jim Rubens girl myself. I'm voting for him next Tuesday, but I think Brown will win the primary.

    I missed Baier's show, which is one of my favorites. I usually Tivo to watch later but I didn't get the chance tonight - kids' soccer games.

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