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    Re: Poll: 71 percent say keep Redskin

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Looking back through this entire thread,
    Do you understand now or no?


    "Do you support racial stereotypes?" is vague and as deceitful as the question: "are you still beating your wife?" They are both simple yes or no questions after all. Sorry, but they aren't.
    That's not the same thing at all. Either one understands stereotypes marginalize and is thereby against stereotypes, or one doesn't understand or doesn't care.

    There is no legitimate support of a racial stereotype. It doesn't depend on any circumstances. Either a person is ignorant or they are not - end of story.



    And stereotyping a race to be "warriors" is pretty nasty. Why not just call them orcs.
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    Re: Poll: 71 percent say keep Redskin

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Do you understand now or no?.
    I understand you completely. You think everyone who doesn't agree with you 100% is stupid, ignorant, or incapable of understanding.

    Since you selectively quoted, I have nothing further to discuss with you. The wall near me is easier to have a discussion with and I don't have to wonder why it keeps repeating the same points.

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    Re: Poll: 71 percent say keep Redskin

    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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    Re: Poll: 71 percent say keep Redskin

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I understand you completely. You think everyone who doesn't agree with you 100% is stupid, ignorant, or incapable of understanding.
    Just ignorant. Stupid means cannot learn and this environment doesn't make that easy. Incapable could be the result of many things.

    Since you selectively quoted, I have nothing further to discuss with you. The wall near me is easier to have a discussion with and I don't have to wonder why it keeps repeating the same points.
    Enjoy racial stereotyping, make sure to tell everyone it's good.

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    Re: Poll: 71 percent say keep Redskin

    Change the name to "The Washington Cavalry". We shouldn't have named it after the losers in the first place. There. With that, no one can bitch that the name is a racial slur. Problem solved. And maybe the team will do better because it gets named after winners.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Poll: 71 percent say keep Redskin

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The paint worn in regard to the Redskins is, obviously, intended to be war paint.

    Are you claiming the Redskins do not depict NA warriors?
    For the same reason the Vikings logo doesn't depict a Nordic woman gathering berries.

    Football is steeped in warrior lingo and military metaphors. If you have a problem with this then I would suggest you just not watch football. Problem solved.
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    Re: Poll: 71 percent say keep Redskin

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Your poll was part of a 2004 national election survey and it didn't verify the race of those who claimed to be Indians. If it was a stand alone poll that polled only native Americans then you might have something....but you don't. So yes, your poll was deeply flawed.

    "...The survey most frequently cited by opponents of change was performed in 2004 as part of the National Annenberg Election Survey. Among other questions regarding election year issues, respondents from the 48 continental U.S. states were asked: "The professional football team in Washington calls itself the Washington Redskins. As a Native American, do you find that name offensive or doesn't it bother you?"

    The problem of individuals claiming to be Native American when they are not is well known in academic research, limiting the value of public opinion polls of the mascot issue.[230]...."
    Washington Redskins name controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Your poll is flawed on an even deeper level. It suggests that if popular opinion supports prejudice and racism (or racist mascots) then the matter is settled when in fact it isn't.


    "...It suggests that popular opinion can settle troubling questions about prejudice, power, and privilege. Hence, if the majority support mascots (or racial segregation or sexual harassment), then such symbols and practices are acceptable. And worse, [it] asserts that if members of marginalized and oppressed groups consent to their marginalization and oppression, then everything is OK. If most Blacks supported racial segregation, would it be a justifiable system? If most women saw nothing wrong with sexual harassment, would we not still want to suggest such actions were reprehensible and problematic? Unfortunately, in the end, "The Indian Wars" encourages Americans to avoid thinking critically about the history and significance of race....."
    American Indian Sports Team Mascots
    Again It looks like because you do not like the results of my poll so you make bogus accusations of the participants not being Indians. The truth is most people have better things to do that act like effeminate emasculated males whining that a sports team name being offensive.
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    Re: Poll: 71 percent say keep Redskin

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    They're only offended because they want to be offended....

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    Re: Poll: 71 percent say keep Redskin

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    For the same reason the Vikings logo doesn't depict a Nordic woman gathering berries.
    Nordic is not a race.

    You think Nordic = white people?

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    Re: Poll: 71 percent say keep Redskin

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The irony is most Indian tribes have no problem with the name.
    Once again NP couldn't be more wrong. Sometimes , actually....almost always you have to wonder where he comes up with some of this stuff.
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