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    Re: Poll: 71 percent say keep Redskin

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    91% of Indians or Native Americans are not butt hurt effeminate pussies.

    Most Indians Say Name of Washington “Redskins” Is Acceptable While 9 Percent Call It Offensive – The Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania
    Most American Indians say that calling Washington’s professional football team the “Redskins” does not bother them, the University of Pennsylvania’s National Annenberg Election Survey shows.

    Ninety percent of Indians took that position, while 9 percent said they found the name “offensive.” One percent had no answer. The margin of sampling error for those findings was plus or minus two percentage points.
    But were they 'real' Indians being polled or did they just say they were?


    "...The flaw in random and anonymous polls of Native Americans' opinion is that they must rely upon self-identification to select the target group. In an editorial in the Bloomington Herald Times, Steve Russell (an enrolled Cherokee citizen and associate professor of criminal justice at Indiana University), states that both the Sports Illustrated and Annenberg's samples of "self-identified Native Americans... includes plenty of people who have nothing to do with Indians".[76]

    The problem of individuals claiming to be Native American when they are not is well known in academic research, and is a particular problem when non-natives claim Indian identity specifically to gain authority in the debate over sports mascots. In the Annenberg Poll, respondents were asked their race however, before being questioned about the teams' name.[75][77]....

    At the Center for Indigenous Peoples Studies at California State University, San Bernardino a survey has conducted of 400 individuals whose identity as Native American was verified, finding that 67% agreed with the statement that "Redskins" is offensive and racist. The response from non-natives was almost the opposite, with 68% responding that the name is not offensive.
    Redskin (slang) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Soo...67% of 'authentic' Indians are offended by the use of redskins.

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    Re: Poll: 71 percent say keep Redskin

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'm still waiting to learn what is the warmongering part of the logo.
    It depicts a NA warrior. Not a NA farmer, mayor, medicine man, philosopher or peace activist.

    When you claim the entire race is warriors, you are claiming they are warmongers.

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    Re: Poll: 71 percent say keep Redskin

    What about the "Fighting Irish"?
    Sounds like a not so subtle slander that portrays the Irish as belligerent and probably drunkards.

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    Re: Poll: 71 percent say keep Redskin

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    What about the "Fighting Irish"?
    Sounds like a not so subtle slander that portrays the Irish as belligerent and probably drunkards.
    To be fair, that one has some merit.

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    Re: Poll: 71 percent say keep Redskin

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    But were they 'real' Indians being polled or did they just say they were?


    "...The flaw in random and anonymous polls of Native Americans' opinion is that they must rely upon self-identification to select the target group. In an editorial in the Bloomington Herald Times, Steve Russell (an enrolled Cherokee citizen and associate professor of criminal justice at Indiana University), states that both the Sports Illustrated and Annenberg's samples of "self-identified Native Americans... includes plenty of people who have nothing to do with Indians".[76]

    The problem of individuals claiming to be Native American when they are not is well known in academic research, and is a particular problem when non-natives claim Indian identity specifically to gain authority in the debate over sports mascots. In the Annenberg Poll, respondents were asked their race however, before being questioned about the teams' name.[75][77]....

    At the Center for Indigenous Peoples Studies at California State University, San Bernardino a survey has conducted of 400 individuals whose identity as Native American was verified, finding that 67% agreed with the statement that "Redskins" is offensive and racist. The response from non-natives was almost the opposite, with 68% responding that the name is not offensive.
    Redskin (slang) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Soo...67% of 'authentic' Indians are offended by the use of redskins.
    Ah yes. Activists use "verification" as a way to shape their sample and then find the result they wanted. No better (and probably worse) than the Annenberg and SI samples.
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    Re: Poll: 71 percent say keep Redskin

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    What about the "Fighting Irish"?
    Sounds like a not so subtle slander that portrays the Irish as belligerent and probably drunkards.
    Sure, but Irish is not a race.

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    Re: Poll: 71 percent say keep Redskin

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It depicts a NA warrior. Not a NA farmer, mayor, medicine man, philosopher or peace activist.

    When you claim the entire race is warriors, you are claiming they are warmongers.
    What makes you think he's a warrior? There is nothing in the logo outside regular everyday Native American dress of the 19th century.
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    Re: Poll: 71 percent say keep Redskin

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Sure, but Irish is not a race.
    Oh that's not very nice.

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    Re: Poll: 71 percent say keep Redskin

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It depicts a NA warrior. Not a NA farmer, mayor, medicine man, philosopher or peace activist.
    Actually, there's nothing in the logo to preclude any of those.
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    Re: Poll: 71 percent say keep Redskin

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    What makes you think he's a warrior? There is nothing in the logo outside regular everyday Native American dress of the 19th century.
    It's a football team. Anyway, check out the history.

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