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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Oh it's worse than that. Their cash registers have pictures of the food all ready programed with the amount to charge. They don't even have to key in the numbers. And God help you if their system is down and these people have to make correct change. Ain't gonna happen. Fast food workers on the average make $7.16 to $8.95 an hour depending on region. Baggers and cashiers in grocery stores on the average make $7.00-$8.00 an hour and are often union jobs such as Krogers which means you also pay union dues. The non-union fast food worker's starting pay is actually more money per hour than the union worker at grocery chains. All of these positions are overwhelmingly held by high school/college students. This whole thing isn't about a "living wage" but more about unions collecting dues.
    All completely true. The picture below is the result of raising wages to these type of workers. Because the job of button pushing is so simple, even a machine can do it, as seen in the picture below.

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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Ii also often wonder why people REMAIN in those jobs rather than using them to develop more skills and move on or up?
    I do as well. I find it hard to believe that's someone with a little smarts can't somehow move up.

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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I do as well. I find it hard to believe that's someone with a little smarts can't somehow move up.
    Or motivation or hard work or good people skills, etc. There are many ways for a person to invest themselves in work to gain from it.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    It seems to be the answer to all things there now.

    I wonder about the claims of a president as to the health of a nation when a simple labor dispute becomes a threat of violence.

    I guess, when you have a leader who simply refuses to compromise on anything, then compromise is impossible at the street level.
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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    All completely true. The picture below is the result of raising wages to these type of workers. Because the job of button pushing is so simple, even a machine can do it, as seen in the picture below.

    mcd.jpg
    Just please, God, do not produce some strange issue like the grocery stores with the an "unexpected item being in the baggage area" issue.
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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    They deserve a wage increase. Hell everyone working minimum wage does. We have a problem in this country, and its vast inequality. All the people that seem to be against wage increases are those who are fortunate enough not to work in those jobs. Fast food workers are no longer just for teens starting their first job, there are parents, adults, grandparents, uncles. Many college grades work there too. I am willing to pay a little more extra to help these workers out. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    The sheer number of profitable fast food places indicates that there's something wrong going on there. They are making hand over fist tons of profit, despite there being fast food places at every intersection.

    They have plenty of profit to increase wages without increasing prices. But they'll increase prices, anyway. That stuff contributes big time to the health and obesity problems in our country, anyway. Seriously...I can't spit without hitting a fast food joint. There's something wrong there...for us, the consumers and workers. There's something very right with the fast food franchise owners, though.
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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Just please, God, do not produce some strange issue like the grocery stores with the an "unexpected item being in the baggage area" issue.
    Using machines is fine with me. Maybe that'll discourage people from consuming so much of that junk. It's not even really food. It contains mainly chemicals, pink slime, and additives to make people crave even more of their fat-filled, sodium-laden substances.
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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    The sheer number of profitable fast food places indicates that there's something wrong going on there. They are making hand over fist tons of profit, despite there being fast food places at every intersection.

    They have plenty of profit to increase wages without increasing prices. But they'll increase prices, anyway. That stuff contributes big time to the health and obesity problems in our country, anyway. Seriously...I can't spit without hitting a fast food joint. There's something wrong there...for us, the consumers and workers. There's something very right with the fast food franchise owners, though.
    Self control? Lack of respect for the free market? Desire to inhibit business practices that enhance profits?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Self control? Lack of respect for the free market? Desire to inhibit business practices that enhance profits?
    The point being...there is more than enough room in that business model to raise wages. I'm tired of hearing, "But they'll increase the price of my whopper-dopper!" They don't need to. In another country, they wouldn't. But HERE, where it's a free for all for the wealthy, they cry foul at the prospect of paying a living wage.

    Yeah, there's something wrong in our country when there is a fast food joint at every intersection, and the majority of our citizens are overweight. Increasing wages (which still are LOW wages) might help prevent even more of those things from opening.

    My belief: If you can't afford to pay decent wages, you can't afford to be in business. If you rely on illegal immigrant slave labor for your business, then you don't really have a viable business in this country.

    Colluding to pay poverty wages in a certain area of business is not an ethical business practice. You believe in the free market? Then let's have it free. A base min. wage, then anyone who wants to pay MORE can! Starbucks does. Whole Foods does. And they have applicants waiting in line to work there, and HUGE profits.

    It's good for business, it's good for the community, and it's good for the country to have workers paid decently. That's what the free market is all about. Ain't nothin' "free market" about collusion.
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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    The point being...there is more than enough room in that business model to raise wages. I'm tired of hearing, "But they'll increase the price of my whopper-dopper!" They don't need to. In another country, they wouldn't. But HERE, where it's a free for all for the wealthy, they cry foul at the prospect of paying a living wage.

    Yeah, there's something wrong in our country when there is a fast food joint at every intersection, and the majority of our citizens are overweight. Increasing wages (which still are LOW wages) might help prevent even more of those things from opening.

    My belief: If you can't afford to pay decent wages, you can't afford to be in business. If you rely on illegal immigrant slave labor for your business, then you don't really have a viable business in this country.
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    That's the business's decision.

    If you read the thread, you'll see that it's not just about paying workers more. If you pay unskilled workers more, then you have to pay skilled workers more.

    And what kind of incentive is it for people...and the effect on society....for people just sitting in these unskilled labor jobs, never bettering themselves? You remove the incentive.

    And there are other people entering the job market that need those jobs to develop their skills and earning potential. THat's why they're called 'entry-level.'

    That was just a Reader's Digest version of what's been posted.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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