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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Think of it as a 'tip'. After all, they deserve more for a low skill job, right?

    That way those who agree with you can help a brother out, right?
    I remember seeing that its company policy for the vast majority of fast food workers are not allowed to accept tips.


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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Can someone tell me what an appropriate wage is for someone who flips burgers, pops a wire basket of fries in grease, or sits at the driveup window taking money or credit cards and asking "Do you want sauce with that?"
    Ii also often wonder why people REMAIN in those jobs rather than using them to develop more skills and move on or up?
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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    More along the line that if you want to raise the wage, find a position that you are able to do which pays more. It requires initiative and personal responsibility. If you do not have those two things, that is your fault, not mine... and not McDonalds.
    McDonalds has the power to raise the wage, they can easily afford it and they dont. That is the fault of theirs. And the government has the power to raise the minimum wage as well.

    Here is a scenario: All of the people who work in fast food quit and find a better job using their thinking cap, their initiative, and showing personal responsibility.
    Ohhh make it sound soooo easy. Just quit your job, and go find a better one. Its easy as that! Right!?

    Then, McDonalds doesn't have enough workers to meet demand. In order to attract workers, they then would have to raise the wage. The market dictates wages in the same way that it dictates cost of products and services- through the law of supply and demand.
    Ohhh yea the "market dictates wages"... With increased sales etc history shows that it does not. More just goes to the top.


    That is how you get all those people the wages they deserve and keep the price of a big mac from going to $17.50.
    Its going to go to 17.50!!?!??!?

    So is all this libertarian nonsense essentially: "everyone should just quit!"


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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Thanks for answering. I understand what you said. My challenge with it is how much of a difference would an extra $3 an hour make in their lives? That's an extra $120 a week. Now it is possible that that will make a huge difference, but I don't know. I guess maybe it depends on where you live? In Backasswater, Alabama that may go a long way. In NH, not so much.
    IMO they shouldnt be made 'comfortable' in the most basic unskilled labor jobs so that they just sit there.

    Those jobs need to open up for new young people entering the job market, seniors that can only work part time, the disabled, etc. I do not believe that entry level jobs are meant to support families. That's why they're called entry level...so you get in, develop some skills and knowlege, and move on or up.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    What these pro-15 per hour groups don't understand is that stores and restaurants will just raise their prices making their 15 dollars and hour moot..

    Besides, not many "low paying jobs" actually pay minimum wage.

    IMO, minimum wage should be paid and based on regional standard of living....

    However these 15 dollar an hour demands are not realistic at all, where did they pull that number out of anyways their asses?

    If 15 dollars an hour come into fruition they may as well kiss their jobs goodbye because these restaurants will just become automated.

    These businesses aren't in business to provide jobs - they're in business to make money and if said business' aren't economically viable then they're going to close or go automated taking THEIR JOBS THAT THEY PROVIDE with them.

    Of course these unskilled workers and their greed cant see that far ahead.

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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    If you're a liberal, that number would $25/hr. Of course, then there would only be 1/3 as many FF places and those that were still in business would be charging $15 for a hamburger (extra charge if you want a bun with that ).
    I'm a liberal and your statement is wrong.

    So much for your grasp of reality....the usual accusation thrown at liberals.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I remember seeing that its company policy for the vast majority of fast food workers are not allowed to accept tips.
    It's a franchisee by franchisee decision.

    So you wouldn't have a problem with paying double, if it helps the franchisee to be able to pay his workers more? Do it voluntarily..... And while you're at it, pay the paperboy double the bill too.....

    You do understand the concept of wage scale, I'm sure.

    You raise a MW worker to $15 from (let's say) $8, you've now moved people who EARNED their raises up to $15 back DOWN to minimum wage. Do you honestly think that group won't be looking for a raise to take them back to being above MW?
    Building block or stumbling block.... choose.

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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    McDonalds has the power to raise the wage, they can easily afford it and they dont. That is the fault of theirs. And the government has the power to raise the minimum wage as well.
    You don't understand how business works, and my fear is that you don't care how it works.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ohhh make it sound soooo easy. Just quit your job, and go find a better one. Its easy as that! Right!?
    It is that easy. Unless you are not capable. It is about what the labor is worth. It is not worth $15.00.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ohhh yea the "market dictates wages"... With increased sales etc history shows that it does not. More just goes to the top.
    This is not fact. This is left wing propaganda.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Its going to go to 17.50!!?!??!?

    So is all this libertarian nonsense essentially: "everyone should just quit!"
    I wouldn't suggest anyone quitting until they have found a job to replace it.
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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Remember if you work at McDonalds its just cuz "you made bad choices, and you deserve as little pay as possible!", and if you want to raise the wage then you are a "big bad socialist!"
    There's nothing wrong with working at McDs. What's wrong is spending years there not advancing yourself.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    This is an effort to "fix" the wrong problem once again. It is what I have come to expect from self described socialists. I hope for the sake of our country we are able to defeat the efforts of the socialist types. Always working to fix the wrong problem.

    Why is it that grandpappy, college grads and other adults are working at McDonalds? What action is it that they took (or neglected to take) that placed them in the position of working in such a dead end job?

    And why is it that they are STILL WORKING THERE? If that is the best that they can do, then they are being appropriately paid at the minimum rate. If they can do better than that, THEY SHOULD!!

    Quite frankly, until McDonalds workers can put the correct food in the correct bag and pass it out the window to the correct customer (which only happens about 1 out of three times I eat there) they are overpaid at $7.25 IMHO.
    Oh it's worse than that. Their cash registers have pictures of the food all ready programed with the amount to charge. They don't even have to key in the numbers. And God help you if their system is down and these people have to make correct change. Ain't gonna happen. Fast food workers on the average make $7.16 to $8.95 an hour depending on region. Baggers and cashiers in grocery stores on the average make $7.00-$8.00 an hour and are often union jobs such as Krogers which means you also pay union dues. The non-union fast food worker's starting pay is actually more money per hour than the union worker at grocery chains. All of these positions are overwhelmingly held by high school/college students. This whole thing isn't about a "living wage" but more about unions collecting dues.

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