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Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

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They deserve a wage increase. Hell everyone working minimum wage does. We have a problem in this country, and its vast inequality. All the people that seem to be against wage increases are those who are fortunate enough not to work in those jobs. Fast food workers are no longer just for teens starting their first job, there are parents, adults, grandparents, uncles. Many college grades work there too. I am willing to pay a little more extra to help these workers out. [/FONT][/COLOR]

The sheer number of profitable fast food places indicates that there's something wrong going on there. They are making hand over fist tons of profit, despite there being fast food places at every intersection.

They have plenty of profit to increase wages without increasing prices. But they'll increase prices, anyway. That stuff contributes big time to the health and obesity problems in our country, anyway. Seriously...I can't spit without hitting a fast food joint. There's something wrong there...for us, the consumers and workers. There's something very right with the fast food franchise owners, though.
 
Just please, God, do not produce some strange issue like the grocery stores with the an "unexpected item being in the baggage area" issue. ;)

Using machines is fine with me. Maybe that'll discourage people from consuming so much of that junk. It's not even really food. It contains mainly chemicals, pink slime, and additives to make people crave even more of their fat-filled, sodium-laden substances.
 
The sheer number of profitable fast food places indicates that there's something wrong going on there. They are making hand over fist tons of profit, despite there being fast food places at every intersection.

They have plenty of profit to increase wages without increasing prices. But they'll increase prices, anyway. That stuff contributes big time to the health and obesity problems in our country, anyway. Seriously...I can't spit without hitting a fast food joint. There's something wrong there...for us, the consumers and workers. There's something very right with the fast food franchise owners, though.

Self control? Lack of respect for the free market? Desire to inhibit business practices that enhance profits?
 
Self control? Lack of respect for the free market? Desire to inhibit business practices that enhance profits?

The point being...there is more than enough room in that business model to raise wages. I'm tired of hearing, "But they'll increase the price of my whopper-dopper!" They don't need to. In another country, they wouldn't. But HERE, where it's a free for all for the wealthy, they cry foul at the prospect of paying a living wage.

Yeah, there's something wrong in our country when there is a fast food joint at every intersection, and the majority of our citizens are overweight. Increasing wages (which still are LOW wages) might help prevent even more of those things from opening.

My belief: If you can't afford to pay decent wages, you can't afford to be in business. If you rely on illegal immigrant slave labor for your business, then you don't really have a viable business in this country.

Colluding to pay poverty wages in a certain area of business is not an ethical business practice. You believe in the free market? Then let's have it free. A base min. wage, then anyone who wants to pay MORE can! Starbucks does. Whole Foods does. And they have applicants waiting in line to work there, and HUGE profits.

It's good for business, it's good for the community, and it's good for the country to have workers paid decently. That's what the free market is all about. Ain't nothin' "free market" about collusion.
 
The point being...there is more than enough room in that business model to raise wages. I'm tired of hearing, "But they'll increase the price of my whopper-dopper!" They don't need to. In another country, they wouldn't. But HERE, where it's a free for all for the wealthy, they cry foul at the prospect of paying a living wage.

Yeah, there's something wrong in our country when there is a fast food joint at every intersection, and the majority of our citizens are overweight. Increasing wages (which still are LOW wages) might help prevent even more of those things from opening.

My belief: If you can't afford to pay decent wages, you can't afford to be in business. If you rely on illegal immigrant slave labor for your business, then you don't really have a viable business in this country.
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That's the business's decision.

If you read the thread, you'll see that it's not just about paying workers more. If you pay unskilled workers more, then you have to pay skilled workers more.

And what kind of incentive is it for people...and the effect on society....for people just sitting in these unskilled labor jobs, never bettering themselves? You remove the incentive.

And there are other people entering the job market that need those jobs to develop their skills and earning potential. THat's why they're called 'entry-level.'

That was just a Reader's Digest version of what's been posted.
 
Ii also often wonder why people REMAIN in those jobs rather than using them to develop more skills and move on or up?

Easy answer: they want to get paid more for doing less. The government has fostered an entitlement generation where hard work means nothing and getting free money is everything.
 
The point being...there is more than enough room in that business model to raise wages. I'm tired of hearing, "But they'll increase the price of my whopper-dopper!" They don't need to. In another country, they wouldn't. But HERE, where it's a free for all for the wealthy, they cry foul at the prospect of paying a living wage.

Yeah, there's something wrong in our country when there is a fast food joint at every intersection, and the majority of our citizens are overweight. Increasing wages (which still are LOW wages) might help prevent even more of those things from opening.

My belief: If you can't afford to pay decent wages, you can't afford to be in business. If you rely on illegal immigrant slave labor for your business, then you don't really have a viable business in this country.

Colluding to pay poverty wages in a certain area of business is not an ethical business practice. You believe in the free market? Then let's have it free. A base min. wage, then anyone who wants to pay MORE can! Starbucks does. Whole Foods does. And they have applicants waiting in line to work there, and HUGE profits.

It's good for business, it's good for the community, and it's good for the country to have workers paid decently. That's what the free market is all about. Ain't nothin' "free market" about collusion.

I am so glad you brought up McDonalds business model. I didn't see you cite any sources or show any figures when you stated "there is more than enough room in their business model to raise wages." You stated this as a fact, however it is not a fact. It is how you feel. Which is why liberals so rarely provide factual citation to their argument. You can't support feeling with fact. Here are some facts:

-85% of McDonalds restaurants are franchises. This means that they are locally owned small businesses.
- It costs the business owner between $685,750 - $1,504,000 to open a new McDonalds location.0
- Only 60% of the startup can be borrowed. The rest has to come from the owner's personal capital.
- The average McDonalds brings in 2 million per year in revenue (this is the average of all McDonalds including corporate stores and franchises)
- The net profit averages 6-8%

7 percent of 2 million is $140,000 (before taxes). If it costs an average of 1 million to open a McDonalds, then the projected ROI (return on investment) is 14% (140000/1,000,000). Hardly a huge return, especially considering the risk you take in opening a new business- one that has to compete not only with every other fast food restaurant, but also with every other local McDonalds. After taxes, that 140,000 becomes 92,400 assuming top bracket. This is a very modest income for a business owner.

Given these numbers, how can you state that there is "more than enough room in the business model to raise the wages?" The last link at the bottom shows an actual P&L from a $2.7 million dollar McDonalds location.

Here are my sources:

Google: How much does it cost to open a McDonalds?

https://www.businessfranchise.com/franchise-directory/260/

McDonald's Dividend Depends On How Well Its Franchisees Do - McDonald's Corporation (NYSE:MCD) | Seeking Alpha
 
I am so glad you brought up McDonalds business model. I didn't see you cite any sources or show any figures when you stated "there is more than enough room in their business model to raise wages." You stated this as a fact, however it is not a fact. It is how you feel. Which is why liberals so rarely provide factual citation to their argument. You can't support feeling with fact. Here are some facts:

-85% of McDonalds restaurants are franchises. This means that they are locally owned small businesses.
- It costs the business owner between $685,750 - $1,504,000 to open a new McDonalds location.0
- Only 60% of the startup can be borrowed. The rest has to come from the owner's personal capital.
- The average McDonalds brings in 2 million per year in revenue (this is the average of all McDonalds including corporate stores and franchises)
- The net profit averages 6-8%

7 percent of 2 million is $140,000 (before taxes). If it costs an average of 1 million to open a McDonalds, then the projected ROI (return on investment) is 14% (140000/1,000,000). Hardly a huge return, especially considering the risk you take in opening a new business- one that has to compete not only with every other fast food restaurant, but also with every other local McDonalds. After taxes, that 140,000 becomes 92,400 assuming top bracket. This is a very modest income for a business owner.

Given these numbers, how can you state that there is "more than enough room in the business model to raise the wages?" The last link at the bottom shows an actual P&L from a $2.7 million dollar McDonalds location.

Here are my sources:

Google: How much does it cost to open a McDonalds?

https://www.businessfranchise.com/franchise-directory/260/

McDonald's Dividend Depends On How Well Its Franchisees Do - McDonald's Corporation (NYSE:MCD) | Seeking Alpha

Oh but you get all the great french fries you want!

LOL I loved that in The Blind Side, where they kept bringing home Taco Bell, etc.
 
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