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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Cost of living adjustments are probably the best gauge. Around here, the state minimum wage is so laughable in the oil boom we are relying on a de facto minimum wage (many places pay $10 an hour base minimum) and even that is cutting it thin.

    I know some folks that are pretty stringent on joining the 15 an hour fight for fast food workers, but they oddly seem to not understand how other segments of labor will want to differentiate themselves from the minimum wage workers. No skilled laborer is going to want to be driven closer to the wage earning of a minimum wage employee, and will ask for more compensation as a result.
    The second part of your post is what concerns me as well. Drive up the cost of unskilled labor, and that will make the value of skilled labor much higher, resulting in a demand for increases there. People seem to have a hard time grasping that.

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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The problem is not the wage level for minimum wage jobs. The problem is, as you state, the reliance of many on entry level, part-time, and minimum skilled jobs that were the sole domain of teenagers, college students, housewives whose kids are now in school, and the elderly who wanted something to do or supplemental income in retirement.

    No prospering and growing economy can rely of a large segment of its population entering and staying in minimum wage jobs for their entire working lives. Anyone who aspires to a full life of working at Burger King deserves to make minimum wage plus whatever minimal increases one receives year over year.

    Instead of pushing for businesses to be saddled with saving the livelihoods of people, why don't you push for government action on the decay of the manufacturing economy that has not been replaced by equally well paying jobs. If you want to pay more for things, why don't you push to pay more for all the products you import from China and southeast Asia so those products can return to being produced inside America.


    I think you hit on a very important point. Low paying jobs once played a much larger role as start out or wage supplement jobs for teens and the elderly. Automation has killed millions of jobs in recent decades and companies expanding into global labor pools have stagnated the wages of previously better paying jobs. As a result it seems we now have a larger segment of people who must rely on the lower end jobs to support themselves. I hear it so often that people need to work up the latter and to stop trying to rely on minimum wage jobs. One thing these people are probably failing to see is that their are not near enough better paying jobs for people to move up to. A large percentage have no choice but to remain on the lower end. With constant advancements in technology and companies moving production out of country this trend will only continue to get worse.

    Look folks we pay to subsidize these people one way or another. Most people that are on government assistance work they just earn so little they need a hand. So we pay them with taxes or we pay them with product/service cost increases. In the end it is still coming out of someones pockets. I personally would rather pay extra at the register and have some choice in the matter. I can always chose not to use/buy their product or service. I think that is a better alternative then having the government tax me more where I have little choice in that matter. Its not a perfect solution but I feel to really correct the underling problems would require huge changes that would probably be very unpopular.

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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I think you hit on a very important point. Low paying jobs once played a much larger role as start out or wage supplement jobs for teens and the elderly. Automation has killed millions of jobs in recent decades and companies expanding into global labor pools have stagnated the wages of previously better paying jobs. As a result it seems we now have a larger segment of people who must rely on the lower end jobs to support themselves. I hear it so often that people need to work up the latter and to stop trying to rely on minimum wage jobs. One thing these people are probably failing to see is that their are not near enough better paying jobs for people to move up to. A large percentage have no choice but to remain on the lower end. With constant advancements in technology and companies moving production out of country this trend will only continue to get worse.

    Look folks we pay to subsidize these people one way or another. Most people that are on government assistance work they just earn so little they need a hand. So we pay them with taxes or we pay them with product/service cost increases. In the end it is still coming out of someones pockets. I personally would rather pay extra at the register and have some choice in the matter. I can always chose not to use/buy their product or service. I think that is a better alternative then having the government tax me more where I have little choice in that matter. Its not a perfect solution but I feel to really correct the underling problems would require huge changes that would probably be very unpopular.
    On that note, would you support reducing business taxes if those taxes were replaced with enhanced wages and benefits? Linking tax breaks to wage increases could be a way for increasing income while limiting or eliminating need for product price increases.
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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    On that note, would you support reducing business taxes if those taxes were replaced with enhanced wages and benefits? Linking tax breaks to wage increases could be a way for increasing income while limiting or eliminating need for product price increases.
    I personally favor removing corporate taxes. I feel tax should only be applied when said profits are moved to an individual.

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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I personally favor removing corporate taxes. I feel tax should only be applied when said profits are moved to an individual.
    I believe we could better the world!!
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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    For?

    The right of organizing and collective bargaining is a long established right, hard won by the likes of Walter Reuther at the battle of the overpass. I am afraid your days of punishing strikers is over as it's illegal.

    IF anyone., we see only a threat, does commit acts of violence you have a criminal justice department.
    That only applies if you are part of a union. These people generally are not and as such they aren't afforded the protection of that law. If I owned a FF place and some of my employees showed up and held a sit-in, I'd personally hand them their pink slips right where they sat. If you want a raise, excel at your job. If that doesn't get you the raise, then talk with your boss about it. If that doesn't work, find another job.
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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Can someone tell me what an appropriate wage is for someone who flips burgers, pops a wire basket of fries in grease, or sits at the driveup window taking money or credit cards and asking "Do you want sauce with that?"
    If you're a liberal, that number would $25/hr. Of course, then there would only be 1/3 as many FF places and those that were still in business would be charging $15 for a hamburger (extra charge if you want a bun with that ).
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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    who are you to pass judgement on their demands?

    "Work that isn't that much"?

    And the second line is illegal...you cannot fire workers for striking, not since around 1900 anyway.
    This isn't a strike, it's a protest. It would only be a strike if they were union members.
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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    If you're a liberal, that number would $25/hr. Of course, then there would only be 1/3 as many FF places and those that were still in business would be charging $15 for a hamburger (extra charge if you want a bun with that ).
    I'll flip burgers for $25 an hour. I do it at home for my kids' friends for nothing.

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    Re: Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    That only applies if you are part of a union. These people generally are not and as such they aren't afforded the protection of that law. If I owned a FF place and some of my employees showed up and held a sit-in, I'd personally hand them their pink slips right where they sat. If you want a raise, excel at your job. If that doesn't get you the raise, then talk with your boss about it. If that doesn't work, find another job.
    Really, I'm more than willing to talk to you about your salary, but once you decide to go on strike we are now enemies and I want you out of my sight. Blackmail doesn't go over all that well with me.

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