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Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents[W:76]

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apdst said:
Oh, so now it's about attitudes! :roll:

Basically, "militarized", is the latest in a long line of dumbass Libbo catch phrases used to demonize people they don't like. It doesn't really mean anything, but it sounds good and the more you say it, the more true it becomes...yes?
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So you deny that in the last 40 or so years - more or less concurrent with the war on drugs - that police have been given access to weapons and equipment that was originally meant for the US military? You further deny that there has been a huge increase in the use of of no knock warrants and that those warrants are often served by teams armed with weapons provided by the US military and often against non violent offenders? And finally you deny police armed with those same weapons are
Often used in a manner meant to intimidate the populace?
 
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AJiveMan said:
See, MLK was assassinated, not at Mc Donalds.

MLK didn't sue because when you're assassinated, you're dead, deceased.

People @ Mc Donalds in Ferguson allegedly had their civil and constitutional rights violated, and are seeking $40 million in restitution for having their rights violated. None of the Mc Donalds patrons were killed, thankfully. If they had been killed, it would be difficult for them to collect anything if they were killed.
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I don't get it? Usually, you and I are pretty much on the same side, for the most part, on just about every subject. Yet this time, your being so obtuse as to not even read or give justice to my entire posts? Why is that?

Would you like to have a real discussion about this? Or just continue with the obfuscation? Because if it's the latter, I don't want to participate.
 
Lachean said:
Property is worth all of the time one life has put into acquiring it, stealing that steals that time and makes one a slave retroactively.
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Ah, yes, no doubt. So, the thief is really a slave master.
 
Lursa said:
The Taliban considers murder wrong too....are we disagreeing with them on that too? Even a clock is right twice a day.
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Shooting someone in the act of theft is not murder, at least not according to the values of the Taliban.
 
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Gaius46 said:
So you deny that in the last 40 or so years - more or less concurrent with the war on drugs - that police have been given access to weapons and equipment that was originally meant for the US military? You further deny that there has been a huge increase in the use of of no knock warrants and that those warrants are often served by teams armed with weapons provided by the US military and often against non violent offenders? And finally you deny police armed with those same weapons are
Often used in a manner meant to intimidate the populace?
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Give me some examples of the weapons and equipment you mean.
 
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Gaius46 said:
I know what the equal protection clause says. It doesn't apply. We already sentence people more harshly for aggravating circumstances. And felonious conduct while acting under the color of authority could certainly be seen as a circumstance warranting a harsher sentence.
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It doesn't apply? :lamo
 
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X Factor said:
Sincerely depends on what you want to hold them accountable for. Using swear words? No. Tearing up over the memory of an especially tragic crime scene they worked. No. Talking to each other in non PC approved ways? No.

Now let me ask you, is there anything that could happen to these cops that you feel would be too harsh? I kept pushing the envelope of what should happen to them, right up to tossing them and their family on the street and encouraging suicide kinda hoping someone would disagree with me but nobody did. It was eye opening.
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Nobody disagreed with you because everyone knows you're full of **** so they ignored you.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
Personally, I take civil rights VERY seriously. MLK never sued for 40 million bucks.

If you give an honest read to what I posted, you will see that I support them fighting for their rights, just not for a get rich quick scheme.
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I understand the point, but just don't think it is an either/or choice. You've focused on the $40 million, but that number is irrelevant - big enough to turn heads in the press but beyond that more or less pointless. The plaintiff has to prove his or her case, or demonstrate they can prove it, then the parties negotiate, and that could result in everything from a large financial award, or next to nothing in damages, but the department agrees to what you say you want - oversight, etc.
 
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JasperL said:
I understand the point, but just don't think it is an either/or choice. You've focused on the $40 million, but that number is irrelevant - big enough to turn heads in the press but beyond that more or less pointless. The plaintiff has to prove his or her case, or demonstrate they can prove it, then the parties negotiate, and that could result in everything from a large financial award, or next to nothing in damages, but the department agrees to what you say you want - oversight, etc.
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My problem with this suit, as I've said, is that any monetary reward will only hurt the tax payers. Any suit should be focused on change and improvement, not some financial reward for those allegedly harmed, which that harm is in no way worth any monetary reward. IMHO.

Want to sue to force a criminal investigation? Fine, I'd be for that. Want to sue to force reforms and oversight of the department? Fine, I'd be for that as well. Want to sue to get rich, when there is no long lasting harm to the alleged victims? NO, that doesn't do anything to change anything and stinks of greed to me. Again, IMHO.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
My problem with this suit, as I've said, is that any monetary reward will only hurt the tax payers. Any suit should be focused on change and improvement, not some financial reward for those allegedly harmed, which that harm is in no way worth any monetary reward. IMHO.

Want to sue to force a criminal investigation? Fine, I'd be for that. Want to sue to force reforms and oversight of the department? Fine, I'd be for that as well. Want to sue to get rich, when there is no long lasting harm to the alleged victims? NO, that doesn't do anything to change anything and stinks of greed to me. Again, IMHO.
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The suit has to do with damages. If the plaintiffs were damaged, then they deserve compensation plus whatever punative damages the court finds. The department can then decide if it wants to reform itself or keep getting sued.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
I don't get it? Usually, you and I are pretty much on the same side, for the most part, on just about every subject. Yet this time, your being so obtuse as to not even read or give justice to my entire posts? Why is that?

Would you like to have a real discussion about this? Or just continue with the obfuscation? Because if it's the latter, I don't want to participate.
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I've never agreed with you on much of anything, if I had, you would've been asked to be my friend, and you would've added 100 more likes to your tally.

I don't believe you understand the meanings of the words you have used.
adios.
 
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AJiveMan said:
I've never agreed with you on much of anything, if I had, you would've been asked to be my friend, and you would've added 100 more likes to your tally.

I don't believe you understand the meanings of the words you have used.
adios.
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Well, that was plain enough. AMFKMA
 
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danarhea said:
The suit has to do with damages. If the plaintiffs were damaged, then they deserve compensation plus whatever punative damages the court finds. The department can then decide if it wants to reform itself or keep getting sued.
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I understand what the suit is about. I just don't agree with the route they chose to take. I make no claim as to whether it is a valid suit. I do, and have, said that I don't think they will prevail, based on the limited information I know, and the circumstances upon which the police placed them under arrest, and the legal powers that the officers reportedly exercised.

I may be totally off base (it wouldn't be the first time). If so, and it turns out that I am, I will declare such openly at that time and move on.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
My problem with this suit, as I've said, is that any monetary reward will only hurt the tax payers. Any suit should be focused on change and improvement, not some financial reward for those allegedly harmed, which that harm is in no way worth any monetary reward. IMHO.

Want to sue to force a criminal investigation? Fine, I'd be for that. Want to sue to force reforms and oversight of the department? Fine, I'd be for that as well. Want to sue to get rich, when there is no long lasting harm to the alleged victims? NO, that doesn't do anything to change anything and stinks of greed to me. Again, IMHO.
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You can't sue and force a criminal charge, rightly so. Imagine your being charged with a crime AND PROSECUTED as part of settlement talks with a plaintiff's attorney..... That's the DA's job, and public opinion no doubt affects those decisions because the post is generally elected, but it can't be the subject of a civil suit.

And if you want to settle for "reforms and oversight of the department" then the first step is to file a civil suit, which they've done. This was step 1 of about 1,000 if they're successful. They can do all you suggest at any point, either in lieu of damages or in addition to what will undoubtedly be far smaller damages than $40 million. They could have sued for a $TRILLION!!! for all that matters - it's a number on a piece of paper, large enough to get the press to print. Nothing more at this point.

Besides, I have no problem with financial damages being sought. It's how you get the attention of the Mayor, council, Sheriff, etc. Start paying out $millions in damages to citizens for officer misconduct and heads will roll and things WILL change, fast.
 
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JasperL said:
You can't sue and force a criminal charge, rightly so. Imagine your being charged with a crime AND PROSECUTED as part of settlement talks with a plaintiff's attorney..... That's the DA's job, and public opinion no doubt affects those decisions because the post is generally elected, but it can't be the subject of a civil suit.

And if you want to settle for "reforms and oversight of the department" then the first step is to file a civil suit, which they've done. This was step 1 of about 1,000 if they're successful. They can do all you suggest at any point, either in lieu of damages or in addition to what will undoubtedly be far smaller damages than $40 million. They could have sued for a $TRILLION!!! for all that matters - it's a number on a piece of paper, large enough to get the press to print. Nothing more at this point.

Besides, I have no problem with financial damages being sought. It's how you get the attention of the Mayor, council, Sheriff, etc. Start paying out $millions in damages to citizens for officer misconduct and heads will roll and things WILL change, fast.
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I see your point. I do. I've just been involved in a number of frivolous suits against me or my company or the government when I was a government employee, and have a very dark view of civil suits in general. BTW, all the suits against me, or my company, or the government, that I was involved in were thrown out of court. But not until it cost me or my company or the government a hell of a lot of money in attorney fees.

We need tort reform in this country - badly.

Edit: I was also involved in a suit to force a DA to do his job - which he did - which is what I was referring to.
 
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X Factor said:
Do tell me what all us "righties" are like and why it's just inappropriate for us to give a damn about what happens to animals. I'm all ears.



I know. We'd be better of without all "these guys", wouldn't we? Although, can you really refer to automatons as "guys"?
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RoboCop was just a movie. Those guys really are guys (or, y'all in our neck of the plains).
 
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Beaudreaux said:
I see your point. I do. I've just been involved in a number of frivolous suits against me or my company or the government when I was a government employee, and have a very dark view of civil suits in general. BTW, all the suits against me, or my company, or the government, that I was involved in were thrown out of court. But not until it cost me or my company or the government a hell of a lot of money in attorney fees.

We need tort reform in this country - badly.

Edit: I was also involved in a suit to force a DA to do his job - which he did - which is what I was referring to.
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Fair enough. I think we agree on the theory, but disagree about tactics essentially. And there are lots of marginally employed and/or unethical attorneys and gold digging plaintiffs who pursue bad cases.
 
AJiveMan said:
Taliban considers murder wrong? Oh, the people they beheaded and shot from behind must have been executed huh?
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"We" consider murder wrong? When we kill kids with drones, have the death penalty....

See how that works? They dont consider what 'they do' murder....and apparently neither do we. But both countries recognize murder.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Shooting someone in the act of theft is not murder, at least not according to the values of the Taliban.
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Source?

Otherwise it's BS.

Of course, if you suggest we start cutting burglars hands off, you could bring it up to the states.
 
Lursa said:
"We" consider murder wrong? When we kill kids with drones, have the death penalty....

See how that works? They dont consider what 'they do' murder....and apparently neither do we. But both countries recognize murder.
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Okay, I was wondering about the phrase used. That I know of, the Taliban isn't a country though.

Let's split hairs here.
 
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AJiveMan said:
I've never agreed with you on much of anything, if I had, you would've been asked to be my friend, and you would've added 100 more likes to your tally.

I don't believe you understand the meanings of the words you have used.
adios.
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Yes, because 'likes' are so important!

I dont friend anybody and I dont care about likes but it doesnt stop me or other people from acknowledging posts they like or agree with. Nor do they have to be on 'my side' or me on theirs.

Your declaration about his reading comprehension is also silly and unfounded.
 
AJiveMan said:
Okay, I was wondering about the phrase used. That I know of, the Taliban isn't a country though.

Let's split hairs here.
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Did you have a point when you entered that conversation?
 
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Lursa said:
Yes, because 'likes' are so important!

I dont friend anybody and I dont care about likes but it doesnt stop me or other people from acknowledging posts they like or agree with. Nor do they have to be on 'my side' or me on theirs.

Your declaration about his reading comprehension is also silly and unfounded.
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:lamo

you're a hoot.
 
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I love irony.
 
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