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Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents[W:76]

apdst said:
Ok, at what point does someone have to steal YOUR property, before you feel like you need to defend your property with violence? Where do you draw the line?
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Perhaps he draws the line at *your* property.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The issue is not preventing theft, but of shooting people involved in property crimes. While I'm sure the Taliban would have no problem with it, I'd think most citizens of the great democracies would object.
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If there isn't a Godwin's Law on terrorism yet, there should be.
 
Jerry said:
Yes, but you can't stop it with lethal force like in Texas unles your life is imediatly in jeopardy. That's what we need a bill to fix. It should be perfectly legal to shoot anyone imediatly engaged in grand theft, burglary, arson, etc, even if you yourself are perfectly safe.
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You are going to be in the news one day.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Killing people to protect property doesn't place more value on property than on life?
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I live in Texas and have a CHL. I have a truck I happen to like quite a bit. In spite of this I would not shoot someone if I caught them driving off in it. I have to look in the mirror everyday. Believe me, that's hard enough without this added burden.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Killing people to protect property doesn't place more value on property than on life?
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No I think you're right, it does place more value on property then that person's life. And I agree with that. The life of a looter has little to no value, and thus the flat-screen TV in his arms is literaly worth more.
 
Jerry said:
No I think you're right, it does place more value on property then that person's life. And I agree with that. The life of a looter has little to no value, and thus the flat-screen TV in his arms is literaly worth more.
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Then, we agree.

And so would the Taliban. :mrgreen:
 
Dittohead not! said:
Killing people to protect property doesn't place more value on property than on life?
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Property is worth all of the time one life has put into acquiring it, stealing that steals that time and makes one a slave retroactively.
 
Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

apdst said:
Yes you have made such a statement...



Ever hear of, "equal treatment under the law"? It's in The Constitution.

Here, let me help you...

Equal Protection Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I know what the equal protection clause says. It doesn't apply. We already sentence people more harshly for aggravating circumstances. And felonious conduct while acting under the color of authority could certainly be seen as a circumstance warranting a harsher sentence.
 
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apdst said:
All the guy did was cuss at some people, in a very highly emotionally charged situation. How do you know you wouldn't do the same thing, in the same situation?
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Didn't he also point a weapon at an unarmed person and threaten to kill him?
 
Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

clownboy said:
Why would anyone with half a brain take such a job in the first place? Here ya go, of course any knob with a complaint can now sue you and at the very least tie you up in court for years.
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Honest cops will continue to serve and be respected by the people. Nuisance lawsuits will be thrown out anyway so it shouldnt matter. The only ones who need to hide behind sovereign immunity are the ones who abuse their authority.
 
Dittohead not! said:
They can't sue for injuries suffered while committing a crime, at least not in California. That' s law passed in response to a burglar who fell through a skylight and then tried to sue the business owner.
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It depends on the state. In my state they can but if they lose they have to pay all my (the defendent's) legal expenses.

Anything else?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Then, we agree.

And so would the Taliban. :mrgreen:
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The Taliban considers murder wrong too....are we disagreeing with them on that too? Even a clock is right twice a day.
 
Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

AJiveMan said:
Google search, total time 5 seconds;
ferguson missouri lawsuit

https://www.google.com/webhp?source...1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=ferguson missouri lawsuit

Conservatives will like this link, it's fox, fair and balanced, :roll:

Ferguson protestors file $40M lawsuit against police | FOX2now.com
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Just to be clear - I was not questioning your claim, and if you remember, I said earlier in this thread that I had heard the same thing.

I just respectfully asked if you had a link, as in did you have one handy. Personally, I don't give a **** about this law suit. I hope that if the claims of the people doing the suing are correct, that the lawsuit changes things ...

But - the reason I don't give a ****, is because instead of suing for change and bringing charges in criminal court, these people are suing for money, forty million dollars to be exact. I never like suits that ask for millions of dollars when millions of dollars of damage have not been done. If the cops had cut one of their hands or arms or legs off, then maybe. But $40 million of damage have not been done, and to me, this is just greed. If they had sued to get the police officers fired or the department put under some sort of court order to change their tactics, then I may give a ****. But they didn't. They just want money.

Also, I don't think they have a case anyway, based on what I know, as I've said before, not $40 million worth of a case.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
Just to be clear - I was not questioning your claim, and if you remember, I said earlier in this thread that I had heard the same thing.

I just respectfully asked if you had a link, as in did you have one handy. Personally, I don't give a **** about this law suit. I hope that if the claims of the people doing the suing are correct, that the lawsuit changes things ...

But - the reason I don't give a ****, is because instead of suing for change and bringing charges in criminal court, these people are suing for money, forty million dollars to be exact. I never like suits that ask for millions of dollars when millions of dollars of damage have not been done. If the cops had cut one of their hands or arms or legs off, then maybe. But $40 million of damage have not been done, and to me, this is just greed. If they had sued to get the police officers fired or the department put under some sort of court order to change their tactics, then I may give a ****. But they didn't. They just want money.

Also, I don't think they have a case anyway, based on what I know, as I've said before, not $40 million worth of a case.
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Some people take civil rights very lightly, as evidenced by I don't give a **** attitudes.
 
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AJiveMan said:
Some people take civil rights very lightly, as evidenced by I don't give a **** attitudes.
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Personally, I take civil rights VERY seriously. MLK never sued for 40 million bucks.

If you give an honest read to what I posted, you will see that I support them fighting for their rights, just not for a get rich quick scheme.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
Personally, I take civil rights VERY seriously. MLK never sued for 40 million bucks.

If you give an honest read to what I posted, you will see that I support them fighting for their rights, just not for a get rich quick scheme.
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40 million is meant to be punitive, and sends a warning to other civil rights violators who might be so inclined to repeat the same mistakes.

How is an assassinated person supposed to collect damages?
 
Lursa said:
The Taliban considers murder wrong too....are we disagreeing with them on that too? Even a clock is right twice a day.
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Taliban considers murder wrong? Oh, the people they beheaded and shot from behind must have been executed huh?
 
Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

AJiveMan said:
40 million is meant to be punitive, and sends a warning to other civil rights violators who might be so inclined to repeat the same mistakes.

How is an assassinated person supposed to collect damages?
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Who at McDonalds was assasinated? And, if you're referring to MLK, I was referring to his fight for civil rights and against people taking his civil rights from him.

Punitive would be a criminal charge or charges. Punitive would be a court order to have the state or some independent body oversee and review everything the police department does from now on. Punitive is not making someone rich (especially their attorneys) at the expense of the tax payers of that city. Remember, some 60%+- of that population are black - the tax payers. As are the companies in that community - tax payers. The city doesn't have $40 million bucks just sitting around to pay law suits. The tax payers will have to pay the bill. This suit is punitive to the tax paying citizens and businesses in that community, not to the cops.

That is why I said multiple time to you that a suit should be brought to force criminal charges or to force oversight of the department. Not to get money.
 
Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

Beaudreaux said:
Who at McDonalds was assasinated? And, if you're referring to MLK, I was referring to his fight for civil rights and against people taking his civil rights from him.

Punitive would be a criminal charge or charges. Punitive would be a court order to have the state or some independent body oversee and review everything the police department does from now on. Punitive is not making someone rich (especially their attorneys) at the expense of the tax payers of that city. Remember, some 60%+- of that population are black - the tax payers. As are the companies in that community - tax payers. The city doesn't have $40 million bucks just sitting around to pay law suits. The tax payers will have to pay the bill. This suit is punitive to the tax paying citizens and businesses in that community, not to the cops.

That is why I said multiple time to you that a suit should be brought to force criminal charges or to force oversight of the department. Not to get money.
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See, MLK was assassinated, not at Mc Donalds.

MLK didn't sue because when you're assassinated, you're dead, deceased.

People @ Mc Donalds in Ferguson allegedly had their civil and constitutional rights violated, and are seeking $40 million in restitution for having their rights violated. None of the Mc Donalds patrons were killed, thankfully. If they had been killed, it would be difficult for them to collect anything if they were killed.
 
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