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Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents[W:76]

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Strip all city and government employees of sovereign immunity and I bet you they will start to behave in a hurry.

Why would anyone with half a brain take such a job in the first place? Here ya go, of course any knob with a complaint can now sue you and at the very least tie you up in court for years.
 
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Anyone who can't do any job the way that it should be done for whatever reason needs to move on.

Whether the job is picking up garbage or policing the community.

It's a damn good thing we have people with real skills and a functioning brain setting those standards rather than the cop haters here.
 
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They are rarely found guilty and their accountability generally consists of being suspended with pay for a short period of time. If that.

maybe by your research. I have found different findings.
 
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The cop that was forced to resign because he--gasp--said a dirty word reacted to a highly stressful situation. i.e. in the heat of the moment.

Now that this cop is no longer employed, he can get a job as a night watchman. He will then be free to cuss all he wants while he makes his rounds at some empty warehouse somewhere.
 
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Now that this cop is no longer employed, he can get a job as a night watchman. He will then be free to cuss all he wants while he makes his rounds at some empty warehouse somewhere.

Here's hoping he finds a position in another department, in your community. :mrgreen:
 
How do you 'catch' them? They are gone by the time cops get there. In most states you cant physically restrain anyone either. (And they're just going to let you? Listen to you?)

You dont know much about charges and trial dates do you? You may wait months for your property or never get it back, even if the police get them on your property. Otherwise? Good luck seeing it again, period.

You can't physically restrain them but it's OK to shoot them? Really?
 
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Maybe if there are a couple of cops using the forum, they'll step up and tell us if there is or not.

I'd also like to know if there's a code of silence within PD's too. I have to believe there is because of all the corruption that was a pattern in Chicago, and some other cities.

Thought you might find this interesting-
there are a number of adverse consequences from having all officers carry guns all of the time and to feel empowered to use them. For one thing, the officers’ own guns are frequently used against them. A 2013 study found that 10 percent of officer fatalities were of officers shot with their own guns. It’s hard to know in how many more cases officers deploy their own guns out of fear that a suspect could use their firearm against them. But we do know that in the case of Michael Brown, officers are at least claiming Brown was trying to take their gun — not that Brown had his own.

Perhaps the most self-evident adverse consequence is what Newburn calls the “potential for overreaction.” “We have seen in the not too distant past cases in St. Louis and elsewhere where it’s hard to see that it was advisable or necessary,” Newburn said. Most who study police shootings agree that fear is a primary motivating factor, particularly fear of other guns. In other recent police shootings, police killed individuals because they mistook a watering hose, a Wii remote, and cell phones for guns.

Japan provides a different sort of contrast, because officers do carry guns. But almost no one else does. Police are also given more training than in the United States, and place a heavy focus on martial arts training because police “are expected to use [firearms] in only the rarest of circumstances,” according to David Kopel, who studied Japanese gun control. The message seems to be working, because Japanese cops have killed just one person in the past six years, according to the Economist.


If Ferguson Were In The UK, Michael Brown Would Almost Certainly Be Alive | ThinkProgress
 
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Here's hoping he finds a position in another department, in your community. :mrgreen:

He might well do that. There must be a dozen different departments to choose from: city police, county sheriff, metro cop, hospital cop, park police, constable, department of public safety, etc.

Actually I wouldn't have a problem with this, I'm moving in three or four months. Staying here in Texas, this cop would fit right in with many departments. Other departments he would have to improve his cussing and threatening abilities to even be considered for the job.
 
You can't physically restrain them but it's OK to shoot them? Really?

You cant do either in any state but TX.

You may be able to physically restrain them...if you are capable...but if you 'hurt' them I'm pretty sure you open yourself up to charges...if not municipal, then civil.
 
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Is it?









Am I just missing all the positive comments?
No, you're just missing the point. If you want positive comments for LEO's I'm sure there's plenty in the gun forum.
 
Ok, at what point does someone have to steal YOUR property, before you feel like you need to defend your property with violence?
Where do you draw the line
?




I'm not going to shoot and kill someone to keep them from stealing my lawn mower, but if my life or another person's life is threatened that's a different story.
 
You cant do either in any state but TX.

You may be able to physically restrain them...if you are capable...but if you 'hurt' them I'm pretty sure you open yourself up to charges...if not municipal, then civil.

They can't sue for injuries suffered while committing a crime, at least not in California. That' s law passed in response to a burglar who fell through a skylight and then tried to sue the business owner.
 
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Thought you might find this interesting-
there are a number of adverse consequences from having all officers carry guns all of the time and to feel empowered to use them. For one thing, the officers’ own guns are frequently used against them. A 2013 study found that 10 percent of officer fatalities were of officers shot with their own guns. It’s hard to know in how many more cases officers deploy their own guns out of fear that a suspect could use their firearm against them. But we do know that in the case of Michael Brown, officers are at least claiming Brown was trying to take their gun — not that Brown had his own.

Perhaps the most self-evident adverse consequence is what Newburn calls the “potential for overreaction.” “We have seen in the not too distant past cases in St. Louis and elsewhere where it’s hard to see that it was advisable or necessary,” Newburn said. Most who study police shootings agree that fear is a primary motivating factor, particularly fear of other guns. In other recent police shootings, police killed individuals because they mistook a watering hose, a Wii remote, and cell phones for guns.

Japan provides a different sort of contrast, because officers do carry guns. But almost no one else does. Police are also given more training than in the United States, and place a heavy focus on martial arts training because police “are expected to use [firearms] in only the rarest of circumstances,” according to David Kopel, who studied Japanese gun control. The message seems to be working, because Japanese cops have killed just one person in the past six years, according to the Economist.


If Ferguson Were In The UK, Michael Brown Would Almost Certainly Be Alive | ThinkProgress

I'm looking at the percentage with skepticism.

Shot with their own guns, would suicide be inclusive with that statistic of 10% ? I won't bother to research because it could take days to find out.
 
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Now that this cop is no longer employed, he can get a job as a night watchman. He will then be free to cuss all he wants while he makes his rounds at some empty warehouse somewhere.

Liberal compassion on display.
 
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That has nothing to do with "militarization".

Militarization is about attitudes. Policing is about enforcing laws and protecting the citizenry. Soldiering is about meeting a nations political objectives by killing the nation's enemies. The two are mutually exclusive.

Since the "War on Drugs" - emphasis on the word war - police have more and more been treating the citizenry as an enemy. That's what militarization means. The hardware is simply an outward manifestation of it.
 
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My point, is that you are suggesting that their civil rights should be violated from the git-go.

I've made no such suggestion. Nor do I believe any such thing. Point it out please and I will gladly retract the statement.
 
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The same reason you must be this high to ride this ride. You are just some random dude on the internet, they are trained officers with a job. In any event, it's not a double standard, it's just a standard.

And because they are trained that makes the behavior even less excusable. All government agents (cops, mayors, congressmen, presidents) need to be held to at least the same standard as the rest of us - if not a higher a standard. Unless you want to make them some kind of above the law royalty.
 
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Liberal compassion on display.

Why do you hate night watchmen?
 
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Why do you hate night watchmen?

Me? You're the one that wants what in your eyes is a reject, a subhuman, to become a night watchman. :lamo
 
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And because they are trained that makes the behavior even less excusable. All government agents (cops, mayors, congressmen, presidents) need to be held to at least the same standard as the rest of us - if not a higher a standard. Unless you want to make them some kind of above the law royalty.

All the guy did was cuss at some people, in a very highly emotionally charged situation. How do you know you wouldn't do the same thing, in the same situation?
 
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Militarization is about attitudes. Policing is about enforcing laws and protecting the citizenry. Soldiering is about meeting a nations political objectives by killing the nation's enemies. The two are mutually exclusive.

Since the "War on Drugs" - emphasis on the word war - police have more and more been treating the citizenry as an enemy. That's what militarization means. The hardware is simply an outward manifestation of it.

Oh, so now it's about attitudes! :roll:

Basically, "militarized", is the latest in a long line of dumbass Libbo catch phrases used to demonize people they don't like. It doesn't really mean anything, but it sounds good and the more you say it, the more true it becomes...yes?
 
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I've made no such suggestion. Nor do I believe any such thing. Point it out please and I will gladly retract the statement.

Yes you have made such a statement...

Why is it ignorant? If anything the cop should be treated more harshly because he's an agent of the state who abused his authority.

Ever hear of, "equal treatment under the law"? It's in The Constitution.

Here, let me help you...

Equal Protection Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Yeah, it's frankly incredible. Justice warriors on display :roll:

Denying someone of their civil rights is your idea of justice?
 
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Me? You're the one that wants what in your eyes is a reject, a subhuman, to become a night watchman. :lamo

He's not subhuman, just a reject. He might make a good night watchman though. He would probably get to carry a gun, dress up like Rambo and keep the warehouse save for democracy.
 
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