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Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents[W:76]

Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

X Factor said:
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From my vast experience, if someone disagrees with something I've said, they're usually not shy about saying so. What was ridiculous exactly? I was told that nobody should care at all what happened to those two cops. That means nothing that happns to them should concern us no matter what. If their houses got firebombed tonight, according to Wiggen (at least), we should regard that with no interest or concern at all. How about Henrin saying that it would be better to watch a cop die than try to help. If you think my examples are ridiculous, like I have zero reason to believe people think that way, open your eyes.
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Sorry if I offended you. I was trying to say that if in fact some loon who disagrees with you actually thinks the cops and their families should be drug out into the street and bludgeoned they are on the fringe and stop holding everyone who disagrees with you accountable to the words of some whack job that would think such a thing.

I don't believe they should be held to impossible standards or expected to be super human. It would be nice if people wanted to equip them to deal with the stress of the job for the sake of the cop but I haven't seen anyone be interested in their mental health, just concern over how they can "serve" us.
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Are you suggesting that doing this job objectively and keeping your emotions in check is impossible for them to achieve? I have more faith in them than that. I believe with the proper training reasonable standards can be established and achieved.
 
danarhea said:
Officer Go **** Yourself has been forced to resign, and another officer who posted on social media sites that the Ferguson protesters should all be put down like rabid dogs has been fired.

Both decisions were good decisions. Police officers do not own the community. They work FOR the community, and the community is the boss, not them. I know that tensions have been running high in Ferguson, but if you threaten to kill people, then you do not deserve to wear a badge under ANY circumstances. End of discussion....... Or is it?

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Cool. Those doing uncalled for things during this unrest should face the consequence. I sincerely hope we see similar stories and posts for those that engaged in looting over the past few weeks being hit with consequences as well
 
Zyphlin said:
Cool. Those doing uncalled for things during this unrest should face the consequence. I sincerely hope we see similar stories and posts for those that engaged in looting over the past few weeks being hit with consequences as well
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I catch the insinuation here. Just FYI, I posted about a week ago that those who rioted needed to go to jail.
 
Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

Manc Skipper said:
The policeman was asked his name. Not normally a blind rage-inducing question.
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Are you a cop?
 
Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

Gaius46 said:
Of course they should be held accountable. Of course looters should be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Angry protesters are not the same as angry police. Police once again have a legal monopoly on violence and the power of the state behind them. You cannot equate an angry citizen with an angry cop.
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I disagree.

LE misconduct/violance is investigated and when found guilty are held accountable.
 
Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

apdst said:
I think the people whining about the, "militarization", of the police don't have the first damn clue what they are talking about. See how you dodged my question?
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If they don't know what they're talking about, what do you think the "militarization" comment is referring to?
 
Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

Texmex said:
I bet you didn't tell the people you sold flooring to to go **** themselves, like this officer did.
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Actually I did a few times. Ever work with the public before? Hell, I worked with the public for 10 years and I don't deal with the worst bits of society either. After 10 years of dealing with azzholes, I got totally burnt out and decided to give it up. I don't know how the police do it to be honest.
 
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danarhea said:
Don't lie and try to put words in my mouth. I have never said anything even remotely close to that. I happen to have a concealed carry license, and own guns. The only thing I have ever said is that background checks are needed.
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Commercial gun sales do have background checks. That's the majority.
 
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opendebate said:
Seems like a great idea. I can't believe there isn't something like this in place already.
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Maybe if there are a couple of cops using the forum, they'll step up and tell us if there is or not.

I'd also like to know if there's a code of silence within PD's too. I have to believe there is because of all the corruption that was a pattern in Chicago, and some other cities.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
Don't know that they have a case. Not enough information. Maybe they were asked to leave by the officers, because there was a situation that put them in danger, and refused to do so? If there's a legitimate reason for officers to give a lawful order for people to leave an area due to imminent danger or if they are interfering with a police investigation, the people have to do so. To not do so, is a misdemeanor in most states that I know of. The cops have the right to put you under arrest for not complying. However, the fine line there is that it has to be a lawful order based on imminent danger or interference with a police investigation. Sounds to me that this may be what happened here - based on your statement.

People are too quick to blame the cops in situations like this. I heard about the suit, but not what it was about. Just that some of the people in Ferguson were suing the police.
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Violations of civil and constitutional rights, that's what the lawsuit is basically about, along with brutality, false imprisonment, I can think of more, but it's too early.
 
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apdst said:
What about the cop's civil rights? They forfeit those when they join the police department?
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If they believe their civil rights were violated they have remedies via the courts just like everyone else.
 
Nothing wrong with a little protest.

It's *rioters* who should be put down like rabid dogs.
 
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apdst said:
That's pretty much the way it is. You're aware of that, right?
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Is it?

The footage from Ferguson tells a different story.

In 2012 there was something like 80,000 no knock warrants issued. Those are routinely served by teams of heavily armed cops and routinely served against non violent offenders.
 
Gaius46 said:
If a specific rioter threatens life, I agree.
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Threatens life....or brakes into a building...or tries to run off with loot...or helps tip a car....or starts setting things on fire....
 
Jerry said:
Threatens life....or brakes into a building...or tries to run off with loot...or helps tip a car....or starts setting things on fire....
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Little problem with legality. Except possibly for setting stuff on fire.
 
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Gaius46 said:
It seems no one was rioting in the case of these two.

And since when does rioting impose a death sentence without the benefit of a trial. Last I checked cops are not judge, jury and executioner.
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So all of the damage done was done by police?

How did you get to be so "smart"?
 
Gaius46 said:
Little problem with legality. Except possibly for setting stuff on fire.
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Jerry said:
Well let's a pass a bill and take care of that.
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Isn't stealing already against the law in Mississippi? It is here, but then, California has been accused of over regulation.
 
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AJiveMan said:
Violations of civil and constitutional rights, that's what the lawsuit is basically about, along with brutality, false imprisonment, I can think of more, but it's too early.
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Do you have a link to any information about the suit?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Isn't stealing already against the law in Mississippi? It is here, but then, California has been accused of over regulation.
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Yes, but you can't stop it with lethal force like in Texas unles your life is imediatly in jeopardy. That's what we need a bill to fix. It should be perfectly legal to shoot anyone imediatly engaged in grand theft, burglary, arson, etc, even if you yourself are perfectly safe.
 
Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

Gaius46 said:
Is it?

The footage from Ferguson tells a different story.

In 2012 there was something like 80,000 no knock warrants issued. Those are routinely served by teams of heavily armed cops and routinely served against non violent offenders.
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That has nothing to do with "militarization".
 
Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

Gaius46 said:
If they believe their civil rights were violated they have remedies via the courts just like everyone else.
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My point, is that you are suggesting that their civil rights should be violated from the git-go.
 
Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

Cardinal said:
If they don't know what they're talking about, what do you think the "militarization" comment is referring to?
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I have no idea, that's why I'm asking for clarification. I personally don't see an abundance of, "military", equipment. No machine guns, rocket launchers, artillery, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, nothing. The only, "military", equipment I see is purely defensive in nature.
 
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